Conference taveng::bagels

1153.0. "Who are the "activist" deportees?" by SUBWAY::STEINBERG (Anacronym: an outdated acronym) Wed Jan 08 1992 01:43

    
I thought this information was fairly enlightening. The only
    depiction of the deportees I've seen or heard has been,
    "Palestinian activists." BTW, we're still waiting to 
    see UN condemnation of Kuwait for mass deportations
    of "Palestinians" (yes, I object to the very term as
    applied exclusively to Arabs), not to mention hunting
    them down and shooting them in the streets of Kuwait
    City (I have heard first-hand accounts of the latter
    from Desert Stormers). 
    
    Jem
    
From: decwrl::[email protected] (MAIL-11 Daemon)

the media continues to play up the deportee story, nary a description 
of the guilty individuals. they are:
Eid el-hami abdul Raof Jioda. Member of the PFLP. recruiter for thegroup.
Issan Jarar.PFLP. threatened "collaborators" involved in planning of terrorist
	activities
Hussein Subban. PFLP. organizewr of terrorist cell, used to incite and distribut 	e PFLP activities. sentenced to be imprisoned.
Alli Hatib. PFLP. recruiter and planner of activities described as "subversive"
Omar Zafi. member of DFLP. ran a terrorist cell. invovled in acts that endANgere 	d security.
Rafat Najar. PFLP, convicted for murder of "suspected collaborator". high level
	planner of terrorist activities.
Ahmed Abu Sif. FATAH leadership.
Ahab Ali El Ashgar. FATAH. recruiter, planner, and policy maker./
Marouan Apanna. FATAH leader
Sami Samhadna. major FATAH leader in GAza.
Ahmed Hamdan. HAMAS leader, incited violence.
Hazar Mahgaz. HAMAS leader, incted violence.

note: PFLP os the most extreme of major PLO factions. it has cooperated with
	HAMAS
	In response to Peace Talk in Madrid, PFLP called for strikes, called
	for violence against Jewish target, called to attack those aiding
	authorities.
        has c alled for use of firearms, resulting in murder of 4 Israelis 
	and wounding of 8
	
     HAMAS  - calls for a Jihad, engages in ugly anti-semitism, calls Jews
	descendants of monkeys and pigs, charter blames French, Russian,
	capitalism, communism on Jews. 

     FATAH - involved in violence. 53 shootings, 45 explosives (13 in Jerusalem)	10 attacks usring spray grenades against Israeli targets
	118 Molotov cocktail attacks
	426 stabbing andf assaults.
	murdered 61 Arab local residents, injuring another 130
	killed 2 Jews, injuring 19 others.

Major points 
	1. increase in terrorist attacks around the peaxce talks
	2. increase in calls for violence
	3. deportation is effective tool to secure safety for both Arabs and Jew	4. deportation used only after tdeliberation and continuted violence
	5. countries involved in peace talks involved in current terrorism
		Syria, Lebanon, Jordan
	6. terrorist acts meant to disrupt peace process, therefore these
	  	deportations will facilitate peace talks.
	7. a country cannot agree to use of peace talks as a means of
		"providing immunity for terrorist activities"
	8. where was world wide and UN condemnnation for K
		Kuwait's deportation of 300,000 Palestinian Arabs
		Saudi Arabia's deport of 700,000 Yemenis
		NB: 40,000 deported Kuwaiti Arabs have found refuge in 
		the territories.
	9. Yasir Arafat calleds for Jihad againsrt Israel....on 12.10.91.
		no media coverage

some of this information was provided via the IDF spokesman, through CAMERA,
and through the State Dept Foreign Broadcast surveillance (FBIS).

-write and complain of the media censorship. let the facts be knownm. these
12 are no Mohatma Gandhis.

--seth

    These "activitsts" may be terrible people, but it does not matter.  If
    they are belived to have committed crimes they should be tried in a
    proper court, and if found guilty they should be jailed (or whatever
    the penalties are).
    
    Summary deportation merely plays into the hands of the people on both
    sides who are against the peace talks, who are, in effect colluding to
    make sure the talks are not successful.
    
    				Paul
    

.1>    Summary deportation ...

It is incorrect to describe the deportations as "summary".  Those facing
deportation may appeal to military tribunals, and all 12 (if I'm not mistaken)
of these men have chosen to do so.  The tribunals, one for the West Bank
plaintiffs and one for those from Gaza, will make recommendations to the
appropriate military commanders.  If the decision goes against them, the
plaintiffs then have the option of appealing to the Israeli Supreme Court.

I think that this compares favorably to military judicial procedures followed
by other countries.  Whether or not one thinks that the deportations are a good
idea, they definitely are not "summary".

    
    Re: .1
    
    > If
    >    they are belived to have committed crimes they should be tried in a
    >    proper court, and if found guilty they should be jailed (or
    >    whatever the penalties are).
    
    Do you believe that the "strong condemnation" has anything to do
    with the U.N.'s concern for "criminal law?" Fascinating how that
    concern just happens to manifest itself only in the case of one
    particular country. BTW, what about the Jewish _kedoshim_ who
    were killed? Mum's the word - publicly. Privately - jubilation.
    
    Interesting how you chose to completely ignore my comments about
    Kuwait. Is that because it's "expected" from Arabs? Sounds like
    racism to me.
    
    Jem