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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

1150.0. "Some current information, please" by SHALOT::NICODEM (Who told you I'm paranoid???) Fri Jan 03 1992 13:24

	Could someone fill in some details on the current weather in Israel.  In
the U.S. news yesterday, there were all sorts of reports on the "worst weather
in 50 years" and other comments like that.  The pictures, on the other hand,
tended toward beautiful snow-covered scenes with children playing, emphasizing
the beauty of it all.

	I was just curious: which is more prevalent?  Is it just a "quirk", and
everyone is enjoying it?  Or have there been serious problems (perhaps even
deaths) as a result of the severe weather conditions?

	Frank
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1150.1I expect it is a real first-class messCADSYS::HECTOR::RICHARDSONFri Jan 03 1992 19:2116
    The report I heard said that 18" of snow fell on Jerusalem - that is
    extremely unusual, and probably created a terrible mess since snow is
    rare enough that there aren't going to be plows, etc.  In fact, I was
    glad to see that this node was up during my lunchtime NOTES break...
    My rabbi has some pictures of a light snowfall in Jerusalem, which were
    very pretty, and even that little bit of snow is very unusual.  I
    expect it is about as bad as when someplace like Washington DC gets a
    lot of snow - even in southern Indiana, where my mother lives, the rare
    heavy snowfall makes a huge mess and is only very slowly plowed off
    with road-graders and other inappropriate equipment because the town
    owns no plows and only one sanding truck.
    
    So I hope someone in Jerusalem replies here (after Shabbos) to let us
    know how they are doing.
    
    /Charlotte              
1150.2recession is over.ITAI::LEVIL. Rosenhand - XSEL/XCONFri Jan 03 1992 20:1212
Snow is not uncommon in the high grounds.  Though 18" in Jerusalem
seems out of the ordinary.  I remember people driving up to the
mountains from the coastal plains when 1 or 2 inches fell -- just in
time to see it melt.

What's more interesting to me is that after several years the
(water-level) recession seems to be over.  The amount of rain
that has fallen this winter is deferring (for good and bad)
internal and external crises.

Someone from the local office:  Did they really shut down the
schools and industries a few days ago because of the rain?
1150.3VSSCAD::MAYERReality is a matter of perceptionFri Jan 03 1992 21:4512
	When I was living in Jerusalem back in the 70's 1-2 inches was enough
  to close down the city.  The city did have several snow ploughs but everything
  shut down anyway since they were no match for the snow.  Worse, since the city
  is hilly and most drivers were not used to driving in snow, most roads became
  impassible. with stuck vehicles everywhere.  The snow melted by the next day
  and things went back to normal.  18 inches in Massachusetts is extremely
  heavy and would close everything down (Remember the great blizzard of '78
  where the state was closed down for a week - twice?).  18" in Jerusalem must
  be incredible and I'm sure that there's chaos in the streets.  Even with
  warm whether, it will take a good few days to clear up the snow.

		Danny
1150.4a mess!TAV02::FEINBERGDon FeinbergSat Jan 04 1992 23:1337
>Someone from the local office:  Did they really shut down the
>schools and industries a few days ago because of the rain?

	Not really.

	My kids didn't go to school on Wed/Thu; the schools were 
	open, but very few of the kids went.  Many of them my
	son's age (10) had never seen snow...

	The road situation was an unholy mess.  There were many
	roads in local low spots with as much as a *meter* deep
	water (like to the middle of your car windows!).   There were
	something like 50-75 roads closed in various parts of the
	country on Wed nite.  Between that, and the snow in Jerusalem
	(so they closed the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv road; hundreds and
	hundreds of cars were there for half the night), many folks
	didn't go to work.

	Jerusalem was badly hit in terms of electricity.  Many trees/
	branches down; tonight's news said they'd have power restored
	everywhere in J'm by tomorrow (Sunday) night. So a lot of people
	didn't have heat, lights, or water for Shabbos, with temps
	of about -2 to 8 C.

	T-A was essentially closed on Thurs.  Extensive flooding in
	all directions.

	I went to work on Wed and Thurs as usual.  I had some real
	headaches to and from work;  I didn't think I'd make it home
	at all on Wed nite.  The office was a little quiet.  I did
	get a couple of good days work done!  More of a problem of
	power failures as the Electric Co. kept "remanaging" the
	grid. (Power goes down for 5-20 secs and comes right back up
	again.  Works wonders for workstations, network links,
	print queues, ...)

don feinberg
1150.5First hand report from Jerusalem ..TAV02::CHAIMSemper ubi Sub ubi .....Sun Jan 05 1992 09:2238
    I can give a first hand report from Jerusalem.
    
    I left work on Wednesday at 16:30. By the time I had reached the
    entrance to Jerusalem, the snow was really coming down, but the road
    was still open (this was at about 18:00). By 19:00 the Tel-Aviv
    Jerusalem highway was closed. My neighbor was caught on the Kastel, and
    didn't get home until afte 23:00. My daughter attended a wedding that
    evening. The Hupah was delayed until after midnight. The father of the
    Chassan didn't arrive until after 2:00 in the morning (the Chassan is
    from Bnei Brak). The wedding broke up at about 4:00.
    
    Depending on the exact location, between 10-20 inches of snow fell on
    Jerusalem. It was really beautiful. Needless to say all the children
    were outside playing.
    
    I didn't make it into Herzliya on Thursday. I took one look out the
    window when I awoke at my normal time, and turned over and went back to
    sleep.
    
    The negative side to the snow was the unusual amount of disruption of
    electricity. My home was without electricity for about 24 hours. Some
    places didn't have any electricity for Shabbat as well. I am the
    veteran of many snows in Jerusalem, but this has never happened before.
    I believe that the electric company is mainly at fault by not having
    trimmed the trees in anticipation of this problem (it is the
    responsibility of the electric company to prune any trees which could
    potentially cause disruption of electric service if branches were to
    fall on electric lines).
    
    This is the first major snow storm since 1980. There was a snow storm
    in January of 1968 during which more snow fell.
    
    Now, I'm back at work. The weather on Friday and Shabbat was warm
    enough during the day to melt most of the snow. However, the streets
    and pavements were quite slick at night and early morning due to
    freezing in the sbu-zero temps at night. 
    
    Cb.
1150.6I'm dreaming of a white Tu B'Shvat.ERICG::ERICGEric GoldsteinSun Jan 05 1992 17:2632
As a kid growing up in upstate New York, I remember many winter mornings when I
would wake up, see fresh snow outside, and turn on the radio to hear whether or
not the schools were closed.

As an adult, I live and work in Jerusalem.  On Thursday morning I woke up, saw
the fresh snow outside, turned on the radio and heard, "Schools are closed in
Jerusalem, Safed, ..."

Given the state of the roads, I decided to walk to work.  (From my youth, I
knew how to dress properly for this kind of weather.)  Only took me 40 minutes
to get here, including time to take a couple of pictures from the Tayelet.
(Jerusalem under a foot of snow is not something we get to see very often.)
Tree branches and tree trunks had snapped everywhere, under the weight of the
snow.  They really look rather sad, especially as the melting snow exposes the
dead trees.

I'd guess that no more than half of the folks at the Jerusalem facility showed
up at all on Thursday, and most of them arrived late and left early.  (No one
wanted to risk getting stranded, if the weather took a turn for the worse.)

Things are pretty much back to normal now, except for the folks who are still
without power.  As of yesterday, the electric company said that some people in
the Jerusalem area wouldn't be reconnected until the middle of the week!  It's
the older neighborhoods of Jerusalem (such as Rehavia, Talbieh, Kiryat Yovel)
that are most affected, along with some of the settlements in the Jerusalem
corridor. (I live in a newer neighborhood, with underground electric cables
that can't get hit by falling trees.)  It's also still colder than normal, with
temperatures dropping down to (or even below) freezing at night.

According to last week's reports, this was the worst snowstorm to hit Israel
for 40 years.  I, personally, would be quite happy to wait that long before
seeing anything like this again.
1150.7Snow in the CastelTAVIS::JUANSun Jan 05 1992 18:2968
    On a light note:

    Yesterday, after lunch, I took my wife, 2 kids and my mother and
    up we went to Jerusalem. The weather was nice, sunny, with that
    kind of winter warmth while you are in the sun...

    We took the "cross-Samaria" Rd. (Chotse Shomron), until we reached
    the Petach Tikvah Rd. and followed up to the Airport and the Tel-
    Aviv=Jerusalem Rd. At our left, the Shomron hills, beginning to show
    some green colour, thanks to the rain.

    The green now is a new green, with a bit of yellow, the colour of
    nature coming out of the draught of summer.

    We took the Jerusalem Rd and, just after Sha'ar HaGay, the begining of 
    the ascent to Jerusalem (the last 30 Km.), we begun seeing white
    patches among the trees. 

    Some people were standing by the road playing with snow.

    We reached the Castel. The castel is the last high hill in the 
    road before Jerusalem. It is a strategic point, since from it you
    control the access to the city. 

    The romans and crusaders also understood this, since this hill has had
    a military garrison since roman times, and the crusaders built there a 
    Castle. Castel is a corruption of Castle.

    In April 48, just by the end of the British mandate, Jews and Arabs were
    fighting for this place. The winner would win Jerusalem. The arab 
    commander, Abd-El-Kader Al-Husseini, decided one night to check the
    positions  before the last attack. On the Castle a handful defenders
    manned the trenches.

    One of the sentinels saw someone moving and shot him down without knowing 
    whom he shot.

    In the morning, when they saw that Al-Husseini was not coming back, the
    arabs sent a patrol that found their commander dead.

    The arab mobs, in grief for the loss of their commander, in a very
    emotional move and against the exhortations of a few of the most
    enlighted men at the battle site, took the body of their leader to
    the Mosque of Al-Aksa, in the Temple Mount, were they performed an
    almost royal funeral. However they disregarded the battleground, 
    which was recovered by the Jewish troops and held till today.

    On the top of the fortifications today, as it did in 1948, flyes
    an israeli flag, torn in half by bullets, signing our presence.

    From the heights of the Castel, you see Motza and Motza Illit,
    suburbs of Jerusalem, you see the high skyscrapers of the Hilton
    and other hotels, you see Mevasseret Zion and Nebi Samuel.

    The mount was covered by about 30 cm of snow, still white snow.
    The fortifications and trenches were whitened with snow. All
    around was covered with a white carpet, and to the east, the
    golden buildings of Jerusalem, receiving the reddish glow of the
    sunset. Martin (15) and Paula (11) looked like goats cavorting on
    the snow. White snow and a charming witer view. A beautiful sight!

    From there we went to Jerusalem - some 8-10 more Km, but the city
    was already clean. We bought some falafel and came down, back to
    Tel-Aviv.

    Regrds,

    Juan-Carlos