Conference taveng::bagels

>   I think we have a distinct problem here:  A very slow response time. 
>    Since the file was moved to Israel, I usually have to wait about two 
>    minutes to get the "next reply".  

     Try using AVN or PAVN to extract your notes. This is a utility that
     extracts notes running an unattended BATCH, and makes reading notes
     a pleasure.

     JCK

The response time is much worse now than it was before Pesach.  Perhaps
TAVENG's system disk was replaced by three platters of hand shmura?

    I also miss the activity in this file and I know that my participation
    has lessened since it has become so difficult to use Bagels.  I cannot
    run any batch notes readers from my account so that will not help. 
    
    Is there a way to "shadow" this note onto a US based system?
    
    ___Av

There are two programs  GET_NOTES and NOTES_EXTRACT that Rich 
Kotter (RIPPLE::KOTTERRI) 406-259-3131 has been maintaining
and enhancing. I have attached his mail message about them below. I
recommend them highly as a means for getting notes after hours and/or
off-line. The NEWS feature of AVN may be even more useful for extracting
the unseen notes from a conference on a regular basis in off hours. The
AVN notes conference is described in TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES note 
number 1504.* and selected or accessed directly at ODIXIE::AVN.

New versions of GET_NOTES and NOTES_EXTRACT are now available at:

	RIPPLE::SLS_DISK:[KOTTERRI.PUBLIC]GET_NOTES.COM
	RIPPLE::SLS_DISK:[KOTTERRI.PUBLIC]NOTES_EXTRACT.COM

GET_NOTES:

Version X20 of GET_NOTES is now available.  Support has been added for PAN, in
addition to ENOTES, as the extract engine. Other bug fixes and improvements
have been added.

NOTES_EXTRACT:

In cooperation with Phil Wells, the original author of this utility, version
X26 has been produced. NOTES_EXTRACT is now distributed as a command procedure,
which makes it easier for those who are unfamiliar with building EVE section
files.  Support has been added for PAN, in addition to ENOTES. A FIND feature
has been added to search for a string in the extract. NOTES_EXTRACT has been
merged with SKIP_NOTES, and improvements have been added to accommodate changes
to EVE. 

For more information, see the comments in the procedures. Also, since the
ENOTES conference is now write locked, there are now discussion topics on both
of these utilities in the LESLIE::PAN conference.

Rich Kotter

    Well, the suggestions to extract the notes may have merits, but in my
    view the nicest feature of the notesfile is its feel of "real time". 
    You read the note, you want to comment, you do it right here and now. 
    Even usenet have this feeling.  No extracting utility will allow to 
    do the same.
    
    So, does it all mean that short of moving the file back to the US we
    are stuck?  If so, it is sad, I really liked this conference.
    
    Leo

    Well Leo you could always move to Tel Aviv.  The response there will be
    great!
    
    This also gives you some idea of what it is like accessing Note
    Conferences in the US from Israel.  Maybe a conpromise would be to move
    it to some place in Europe.
    
    		Danny

    I once moved from Moscow, USSR to Boston, MA.  To move from here to Tel
    Aviv now will be a breeze!  :-)
    

Re 1061.6 & others

>    Well Leo you could always move to Tel Aviv.  The response there will be
>    great!
>    
>    This also gives you some idea of what it is like accessing Note
>    Conferences in the US from Israel.  Maybe a conpromise would be to move
>    it to some place in Europe.

That's a great angle!  Encourage people to make aliya just in order to get a
good response from Bagels.  :-)

I use RNU/PAVN to monitor NOTES files, because I do not have the time to read
NOTES from the US online. 

The main problem at present is the network.  We have had a major problem here
in Israel for a long time now.  It took 10 minutes to copy a 4 block file from
Geneva yesterday.  But, "they" are working on the problem, and IS inform me
that a new improved super fast line should be in place soon and all our problems
will go away (well, not quite all.......).  Why not wait and see how response 
is on 1st May.   If there is a major improvement, you can celebrate the event 
on Lag B'Omer!  If not,...............

Shalom
Baruch  (who gets a good response on BAGELS, but on no other NOTES files)  

   I won't go into all the technical aspects but there is a net
   grid-lock on the link connecting Israel to the rest of the world.
   The current link will be replaced with a new line with about
   three times the bandwidth in a week or two.  It's mostly
   installed and testing is currently being performed. 

    Further to the previous note from Aharon, I have just seen an advice
    from our IS people to the effect that the new improved link is already
    in place.  I just tried a couple of conferences in the US and Europe and
    got a very quick response.  So your access to BAGELS from the US should
    also be OK now. Try it out and let us know.
    
    Shabat Shalom
    Baruch

    It IS faster!!!
    
    Thanks and Shabbat Shalom,
    
    Av

its almost faster than accessing a conf on subway:: (from subway!!!!)

a gutn shabbos
Louuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

	And I thought we could encourage Aliyah this way!  Oh well, it is
  a lot faster now.

		Danny

    Oh, boy!  You really fixed it.  Just as I started thinking (as somebody
    suggested) of moving to Israel! :-)

  Now when I type

	Notes> OPEN BAG

  it goes much faster!  Thanks!

  -- Bill B.

    Please don't get *too* euphoric  -- I'm sure that in time people will
    attemp remote boots via the new upgraded comms line !!! :-) :-)
    
    						.... Monty
    
    The amount of notes conferences read, expands to be greater or equal to
    the comms line bandwidth. 

Re 1061.16  

Monty, why not let everyone be happy for a few days?  You spoil sport!

An estimated time limit for the existing performance was given to me at 6
months.  By then it is reckoned that we will have found many new ways to fill 
up the band width, and performance will begin to deteriorate.  Oh well, let's
enjoy it while we can and see what happens.

Shalom
Baruch

    Wheeee! What a breeze!
    
    How long until the chometz rises?  
    
    When I taught networking recently, my hubby (a contractor) suggested I
    describe the layers as a connected series of toilets with all the stuff
    going down to the bottom pipe.  He said, "Well, most of the stuff you
    people send on the network is garbage anyway."   Not very flattering,
    but that one hit home.
    
    Glad we can all communicate again. (For the time being)
    
    Laura

For those of you in the galut who have been wondering why you haven't been able
to get to BAGELS all week, the problem has been with the fancy-shmancy new
cable connecting us with France.  The E-net starting working properly again
several hours ago, so hopefully the problem has been fixed.

We've missed you, too.

    Yeh, it's fixed all right, excellent as a matter-of-fact.
    
    --David