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1019.1 | intermarried couples support groups | CADSYS::HECTOR::RICHARDSON | | Fri Dec 28 1990 19:17 | 10 |
| You might want to contact the nearest Reform synogogue; the Reform
movement has an outreach program for intermarried couples and their
families, and you can probably locate a support group in your area.
I can think of two non-Jewish men in my group here at work whose wives
are Jewish. Both families have daughters, but I don't think either
family practices much of either religion; maybe one of them will reply
here or send you mail. What you probably want to do is track down some
families with older children and see how they are coping.
/Charlotte
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1019.2 | Good clue, thanks... | SWAM2::GOLDMAN_MA | | Fri Dec 28 1990 20:02 | 21 |
| I had thought of contacting the local temples but am finding it
difficult (at best) to locate a Reform temple nearby; believe it or not,
free and easy So Calif seems to abound in Conservative temples, and I
have even found a sprinkling of Orthodoxy here in Orange County, but
very little in the way of Reform temples.
Anyway, I hadn't realized that such groups existed, so I appreciate the
hint, and will renew my search for a Reform group where I will feel
comfortable! I will still be very appreciative of the opinions
and advice of other Noters who have had/are having similar experiences.
Again, thanks for the clue about support groups; it might be an
interesting experience. My husband is cooperative to the extent that
he agrees that our son has the right to learn both parts of his
heritage and make his own choice(s) later on. I am *not too sure* that
his cooperation will extend to support groups, but I'm certainly
willing to try to convince him...
Marla
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1019.3 | try Federation as well | PCOJCT::MILBERG | I was a DCC - 3 jobs ago! | Fri Dec 28 1990 22:02 | 7 |
| You may also try contacting your local Federation. MetroWest (here in
New Jersey) also has a program for interfaith couples that is NOT
associated with any one particular synagogue or temple - so there is no
'pressure' for membership.
-Barry-
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1019.4 | L.A. Federation | SWAM2::PLAUT_MI | | Fri Dec 28 1990 23:22 | 8 |
| The Jewish Federation for L.A. is located at 6505 Wilshire Boulevard,
in Los Angeles and can be called at 213-852-1234. In addition to the
Reform movement, I believe some Conservative congregations also have an
outreach movement for interfaith couples.
You didn't specify where in Orange County you live, but if you'll write
to me I try to find a list of congregations for you.
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1019.5 | Both = neither | DECSIM::GROSS | The bug stops here | Wed Jan 02 1991 16:11 | 14 |
| When my wife spoke to our rabbi about another family situation similar to
yours, he made the comment that the children become neither fish nor fowl.
If you make no choice yourself, your children will probably adopt society's
lowest common denominator. Without much formal religious training, that would
make them weak Protestants -- or possibly luke-warm agnostics like their
father. Your children are unlikely to adopt a Jewish identity without formal
Jewish training.
I think it is better for the parents to make a choice for the children. Even
if you decide not to raise them as Jews, at least they'll be able to answer
the question "what are you?" with something other than a shrug of the
shoulders.
Dave
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1019.6 | I agree, but tell my hubby! | SWAM2::GOLDMAN_MA | | Wed Jan 02 1991 23:08 | 41 |
| re: .5:
I agree with your rabbi, actually, but my husband does not. Fred
(husband) is leaning further toward atheism, and is as firm
about not stuffing religion down our son's throat unless he chooses to
believe as I am about not stuffing the Santa Claus myth into his head...
Despite Fred's wishy-washy attitude toward his personal worship, he is very
proud of his heritage. We haven't yet had serious argument about this,
but my husband is as firm in his resolve to expose Joseph (our son) to
Christianity as I am regarding Judaism. However, he is talking
exposure, not actual practice, from what I can gather. I cannot see
Fred getting up on Sunday to take Joe to church!
I am leaning toward a return to religious practice for both
my own and my son's sake, but I am sure that my husband would object
if I were to single out my heritage to the exclusion of his. Even
though he is less than willing to start attending church with Joe,
he would feel that I was forcing Joe to Judaism. He (my husband) seems
to feel that, if we personally educate Joe and let him know that Mommy
and Daddy have different beliefs, the child will automatically make a
decision that suits him. Not a reasonable attitude, I know, but who
said people were reasonable creatures? I, of course, do not agree.
I support the idea that he know that *I* am Jewish, Daddy is *not*,
and that he be formally trained in at least one faith, while being
"exposed" to the other.
(i.e., perhaps practice Judaism, go to Hebrew School, but attend church
once a month or more with Dad...) A *possible* compromise might
be Messianic Judaism, which *might* be a start we could agree on.
There are two such synagogues near our home, but I, personally, find
the Messianic concept (from what I gather about it) to be a contradiction
in terms, so we'd have to get past that hurdle first.
Anyway, we are just beginning to wrestle with this issue now, and Joe
is still only 2 1/2, so we've got some time (six months to a year, I'd
say, before he could sit still long enough to even dare taking him to
family services...) to make concrete decisions.
Thanks for the input, though! Further ideas/input are also welcome.
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1019.7 | No, anything but that! | ERICG::ERICG | Eric Goldstein | Thu Jan 03 1991 08:50 | 11 |
| re .6:
You certainly have a difficult problem to deal with, and I can't say that I
know the best way (or even a good way) to solve it.
But please, please *don't* select Messianic Judaism as a "compromise". Your
son may end up considering himself Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Shinto,
atheist, agnostic, or something else; in the end, it'll be his own decision.
But Messianic Judaism is simply a sect of Christianity that calls itself
Judaism, and you owe it to your son not to present that kind of intellectual
dishonesty as a valid religious alternative.
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1019.8 | It's eerie | DECSIM::GROSS | The bug stops here | Thu Jan 03 1991 18:05 | 14 |
| I live in Sudbury, Ma. (borders on Maynard). In my town I am aware of quite
a few mixed marriages. In every case where the Jewish partner is the woman,
the children are brought up Jewish. Where the partner is the man, the children
are brought up "both" (i.e. neither). I find it eerie. I conclude that it is
"normal" for the wife's position to prevail.
I have examples of mixed marriages within my own family and these also
follow this pattern.
You may need help solving your problem. I am certain that any intelligent
rabbi in your neighborhood has seen countless marriages such as yours and
can offer some helpful advice.
Dave
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1019.9 | Roots are important | ICS::WAKY | Onward, thru the Fog... | Thu Jan 03 1991 18:51 | 16 |
| re: .5
> I think it is better for the parents to make a choice for the children. Even
> if you decide not to raise them as Jews, at least they'll be able to answer
> the question "what are you?" with something other than a shrug of the
> shoulders.
Boy do I agree with this. My brother married a non-Jewish woman and we had
long hours of discussion on these issues before he did. He keeps saying that
they will raise the children with neither and let her/him make up his/her
own mind later. My reply is always - "based on what?". I would rather see
his children raised with a good Christian foundation than with nothing for
roots. They don't have children yet, so it remains something we talk about
quite often...
Waky
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1019.10 | esit | SWAM2::GOLDMAN_MA | | Thu Jan 03 1991 21:07 | 39 |
| re: .7:
I agree that Messianic Judaism is a contradiction in terms; it is not a
concept that I can wholeheartedly or even partially accept. However, I
would rather swallow my own personal objections and deal with the
concept than have my son grow up with no religious affiliation
whatsoever because Mommy and Daddy couldn't find a stule of worship
acceptable to both.
In the long run, however, I do not think this will be a realistic
solution, because my husband is no more likely to feel comfortable
observing Pesach and Yom Kippur than I am to accept celebrating
Christmas and Easter...
Just between you, me, and the entire EasyNet, my hope is that, over the
next few months, I can reason with him a bit and make him feel more
comfortable with our son's learning his religion from me, since I have
some conviction about it and Daddy has little or none...I can accept
raising our son with the knowledge that Mommy is Jewish, Daddy isn't,
and that's why he doesn't go to temple or eat kosher during Shabbus and
Pesach, and I think my son will be able to accept this, too.
re: .8 and .9:
The whole idea behind posting this note was a (vain?) hope that some of
those intermarried couples might be on this conference, and that I
could perhaps benefit from their experiences. I agree that it is eerie
that the female of the Jewish faith feels so impelled to raise her
children in bosom of her own traditions, but the proud male feels no
such drive. However, as eerie as it is, it does not surprise me, at
least not in this day and age. I do, however, have a (much) older
cousin whose 196_ (? can't remember exactly) marriage to a *Catholic*
drove my entire family batty (especially my Orthodox grandparents, who
always called my Reform mother their "shikse daughter-in-law")...in the
end, Judy converted and made everyone else in the family look like
closet Christians!
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1019.11 | More from the Mom... | SWAM2::GOLDMAN_MA | | Fri Jan 04 1991 09:46 | 25 |
| I am reading my own note at home, and I see that I have said some
things about reasoning with my husband that make it sound as though I
am determined to have it all my own way and feel the problem is best
solved that way. This is not at all what I meant to say. My real
intention was to say that I certainly hope that the solution I consider
logical will prevail, but I don't really think it will happen...at
least not easily. Stubborn runs mightily through my husband's genetic
structure...
Anyway, the more I "study" the problem, the more I lean toward doing
whatever I feel is best for me, and working to make the rest fall into
place later. I am currently on the trail of a comfortable congregation
in the Irvine, CA area...what happens from here remains to be seen.
If there are *any* Bagelers out there with first hand experience in
such a "conflict" of religious/tradition interests, please, be silent
no more...come forth and tell me your story! If you are disinclined to
hang the laundry on the conference, please feel free to VAXmail me!
I really would like to hear from someone who is having/has had to deal
with such a conflict. I don't want to step on any toes, I just want
what *I* think is best for my child!
M.
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1019.12 | | QUOKKA::SNYDER | Wherever you go, there you are | Fri Jan 04 1991 17:33 | 39 |
| While I can't give first-hand experiences that correlate exactly with
yours (my wife was not Jewish when we married but she converted and our
children, 10 and 7, have a strong Jewish identity), I can relay some
information that is closely second-hand.
When my sister married, she and her non-Jewish husband agreed that
any children would be exposed to both Judaism and Christianity (he is a
nonpracticing Protestant) and would be free to decide later in life.
It soon became clear to both of them (when Lea was about 4 years old)
that this idea sounded fine in theory but didn't hack it in real life.
It is unreasonable (unconscionable?) to expect a child on the
playground, in preschool, in elementary school, or anywhere to be able
to cope with the "What are you?" question on his/her own. All the
child wants is a simple, straight answer, not only to give to friends
but also for him/herself.
Rita (my sister) soon realized that she really wanted Lea to have an
identity and that she wanted it to be a Jewish identity. That does not
mean that Lea cannot or does not get exposure to other religions.
Learning is learning and should always be encouraged. Jay was not
thrilled with the idea but was not obstructionist. He just chose not
to participate. Despite the fact that Rita is the breadwinner (she's a
professor) and Jay is a househusband (which works just fine for them)
and usually does most of the kid-schlepping, Rita takes Lea to Sunday
School, to Hebrew School, to Bat Mitzvah lessons, etc.
Lea is very happy being raised Jewish (we are travelling to Ohio in
July for her Bat Mitzvah) and equally happy visiting her paternal
grandparents at Christmas time. She is by no means ignorant of her
father's beliefs or uncomfortable being Jewish in her grandparents'
home during Christian holidays.
The bottom line, I believe, is that children need an identity and it is
the responsibility of the parents to provide for that. A well-educated
and well-informed child still has the ability to choose a different way
when older.
Sid
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1019.13 | I'm not so sure "a nothing" is such a bad answer | MINAR::BISHOP | | Fri Jan 04 1991 18:33 | 16 |
| What's so horrible about not having a religious identity?
I remember the "what are you" question, but I don't remember
feeling bad that I (a third-generation non-believer) didn't
have a standard label. I remember thinking a lot of the
askers were ignorant--and they still are: when I was 27, a
PhD in computer science told me that since I didn't have a
religion, I wasn't covered by the Constitution's right to
freedom of religion, and should not have the right to vote!
I think the most important thing a child of a mixed marriage
can learn is that adults can disagree with eachother on
issues which are basic and important, and still find ways to
live together. Of course, sometimes they can't!
-John Bishop
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1019.14 | | QUOKKA::SNYDER | Wherever you go, there you are | Fri Jan 04 1991 19:21 | 10 |
| > I remember the "what are you" question, but I don't remember
> feeling bad that I (a third-generation non-believer) didn't
> have a standard label. I remember thinking a lot of the
> askers were ignorant--and they still are: when I was 27, a
When you were 3? 4? 5? I'm not talking about when you're 27, and
neither is the base noter. Also, things have changed. This is the
90s, not the 50s. Life is different for small children these days.
Sid
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1019.15 | Resource on Interfaith Marriage | KAOFS::J_MORRIS | | Fri Jan 04 1991 19:38 | 7 |
| I understand that the book "Mixed Blessings: marriages between Jews and
Christians" is a good discussion of some of the issues raised here.
The authors, Rachel and Paul Cowan, formed such a mixed marriage.
Rachel Cowan is a Reform rabbi and a columnist with "Moment" magazine.
Her most recent column also discusses interfaith marriage.
John
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1019.16 | | QUOKKA::SNYDER | Wherever you go, there you are | Fri Jan 04 1991 19:55 | 10 |
| re: .13 (John) and .14 (me)
I don't want to drag this topic down a rathole. I do believe that
identity is germane to the question asked by the basenoter but that
debating it is not what she wanted. I'm sure she can decide that for
herself. My only intent was to present anecdotal information (that is
what she asked for) and the reasoning/conclusions resulting from that
specific situation.
Sid
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1019.17 | What about a Jewish dad and Catholic mom? | IMLAY::LIBOVE | | Fri Jan 04 1991 20:21 | 31 |
| I am somewhat disturbed by the few notes that indicated that, for one
reason or another, the mother's viewpoint seemed to win... maybe this
was just in cases where it was the mother who was Jewish?
I'm Jewish, and my wife is Roman Catholic. She is a solidly practicing
Catholic with her own mind about things (that is, Church dogma gets
tossed right in the trash can where it belongs, if that is what she
evaluates any particular proclamation to be), and I am a just-about-
agnostic Jew, becoming more interested in religion as I grow older.
We're not looking to have children for about another seven years, but
this topic is one that we had begun discussing before I had even
proposed to her, so I am most interested in the topic.
To the original poster, a tiny piece of advice from my own marriage:
don't hide anything, don't run roughshod over the other person or over
their part in the marriage/child_raising. What you'll end up with is
probably a messy divorce and an even more confused child.
My wife and I currently are agreed on raising children Jewish for the
purpose of giving them one particular identity, because we also believe
that until they are much older they will not be able to understand
the choices, and that once they get older, nothing we do could possibly
keep them from making their own choice (which is fine by us).
Best wishes to all in this situation, and I look forward to following
this discussion for what wisdom it can bring.
-Jay Vassos-Libove
Detroit ACT/ULTRIX Resource Center
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1019.18 | Just observing | DECSIM::GROSS | The bug stops here | Sat Jan 05 1991 00:43 | 23 |
| I'll admit that in cases of mixed marriage I'm going to be biased in favor
of the Jewish partner. I can't help it and I'm not sure that that's wrong
anyway. However, I tried to make my postings as neutral as I could while
providing what support I could for the poster of .0. The point I was trying
to make is that 1) Halacha (Jewish law) states that a person is Jewish by
birth if the mother is Jewish and that 2) this works out in practice even in
mixed marriages where the mother is only minimally observant. I am impressed
how the law and real-world experience are in agreement.
The Reform movement would like to change the law so that a person with a
Jewish father would be considered Jewish. This is anathema to the
Orthodox movement and the whole issue threatens to split Judaism. In your
case Jay, your children could be raised Jewish and participate in a Reform
Congregation but if they wanted to become Orthodox, the rabbi would require
a Halachic conversion (including some form of ceremonial circumcision for
the males). I have mixed feelings about the whole thing.
I have one parting thought on the issue of religious training for the children.
Living in a Christian society, it would be easy for the children of mixed
marriages to choose Christianity without any Christian training whatever.
Not so about Judaism.
Dave
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1019.19 | Never mind "identity" -- how about morality! | SWAM2::GOLDMAN_MA | | Sat Jan 05 1991 00:58 | 71 |
| Well, this topic is finally getting *good*!
re: .12, .13, and .17, respectively
.12: Thanks for the story; since it involves a real child in a
real situation, I find it most helpful. It is ultimately my hope to
settle this question in this way, too. However, at this time, I am still
wrestling with my husband's doubts about surrenduring all religious
training to me & my faith, as well as my own personal bete-noire about
excluding my husband from this aspect of child-rearing.
.13: I am glad that your were so secure in your childhood.
Unfortunately, *most* children are natural conformers; they need to
feel they fit in, and are uncomfortable with being different in any way.
I personally can very clearly remember being a long stretch of
discomfort about our not belonging to a temple (widowed mom with
plenty of pride but not much money...). I was thirteen or so at the time,
and all of my friends were having bat mitvahs or their various
Christian equivalents. Even though I sat there munching chopped liver
and egg salad on matzoh at Pesach, I felt very un-Jewish and
perceived that I was "different" from the others in "yet another way"...
.17, As mentioned above, I try very hard not to ride roughshod
on my hubby's feelings, parental rights, or anything else, which is
why I posted the base note in the first place...to ask other opinions on
how to raise our child without either of us feeling deprived of
parental input!
Finally, for all of you who have read, responded, or not, it is not
the identity question is really only a secondary or tertiary concern
for me. In point of fact, with so many double-working-parent
families here in SoCal, religious worship is often one obligation too
many for the parents, leaving large numbers of children who have no
specific religious affiliation, I am not so sure that, identity-wise, a
seriously-observant Jew, Christian, Bahai, or whaterver, might not feel
as square-pegged as those of use who were *not* observant felt in *our*
time!
My intention in trying to provide a religious background for my child
is three-fold, and based entirely on opinion, not facts or stats (and
you thought DECcies *lived* by statistics...).
1) Faith is an important cushion for a child, protecting him/her from
the bumps and bruises of adolescence, the nightly news, the school
playground, etc.; and, even the happiest home life is troubled at
times...
2) Religion and its formal training complete a well-rounded
education, providing something which is often neglected in academia.
Learning of the religious persecutions so many have suffered, a child
should be less inclined to practice bigotry. While this nation's
academia trains our children to be readers, writers, and thinkers,
it is our religions which teach them to be *people*. The lessons of
religion, learned well in childhood, provide the base of operation for
the rest of our lives -- honesty, goodness, generosity, morality, hope,
strength of character.
3) Religious activity offers a child his best opportunity for beneficial
social interaction with peers and elders. Many a "religious" adolescent
or teen works on a bake sale, attends a temple or church dance,
or goes to a youth group meeting while his or her non-religious peers
might be out on the streets or at unsupervised parties, testing out drugs,
alcohol, sex, and crime.
Can I get down off my soap box now? Phew...this is an *exhausting*
subject! Anyway, more thoughts are *still* welcome, people, and thank
you all for responding to me.
M.
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1019.20 | What does it mean to you? | CPDW::SEIDMAN | Aaron Seidman | Mon Jan 07 1991 06:48 | 21 |
| RE: .19
Since I don't know you, these comments are really generic.
When you write about "trying to provide a religious background for my
child" it strikes me that the first task is to provide a religious
background foll r yourself. By that, I mean determining in your own mind
what Judaism means in your own life. Formal training can provide
specific skills, but children look at what you do, not what you say.
If your children see that this is something that is important in your
life, they will take it seriously, but if they perceive it as something
they have to do because you think it is good for them, it may seem to
them to be so much broccoli.
Obviously there is something important to you, or else you would not
have started this note, and I do not meant to imply otherwise, just to
raise the question of how far you have gotten in thinking it through.
(BTW, not only is there no one `correct' answer' but the answer keeps
changing :^)
Aaron
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1019.21 | That's the easy part...it's done! | SWAM2::GOLDMAN_MA | | Mon Jan 07 1991 23:05 | 29 |
| re: .20
You make a very valid point, Aaron, and I don't disagree with you at
all. I guess I haven't made myself very clear on this, i.e., my
position. Whether or not my hubby and I eventually agree to raise Joe
in Jewish tradition, I *will* be returning to religious practice in the
next few months (no, it isn't a New Year's Resolution...), as soon as I
find a congregation with which I feel comfortable. If Fred (hubby) and
I are unable to come to an agreement *at this time*, that isn't going
to stop *me* from worshipping as *I* choose.
My belief in G_d is firm, and I am strongly connected to my heritage
through Judaism, as well. The fact that I have not attended temple
since I was young does not mean I do not believe. During most of my life
there have been availability and monetary issues blocking temple
membership.
Basically, I feel that my religious background is already in place. I
have a religion which I love, one which was both inherited and chosen.
My son has only his inheritance, but without *some* religious
education, it will be for naught. Since I did not have much formal
training, I will have some work to do to keep up with my boy, no doubt,
but I already have a good "sense" for my religion. It is my hope that,
as one who is newly returned with much to learn, my enthusiasm will
help Joe to better revel in Judaism himself.
We shall see, won't we?
M.
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1019.22 | The one who cares wins, I think | MINAR::BISHOP | | Mon Jan 07 1991 23:42 | 19 |
| If you are religious and active, and your husband is not
interested and unactive, I think it's pretty clear that your
son will feel that Judaism is the only religion in his background.
My ability to field the "what are you" question as a child is
probably due to the fact that my parents were non-believers
rather than apathetic--I knew what the issue was, and what
my family's position on that issue was. In a real sense, I
was keeping up the family tradition, and so felt there was
support behind me.
It's also true that I was a bookish kid with glasses and good
grades, so that I was already in the out-group and thus had little
to lose by being different.
On the other hand, the question did not come up very often--less
than once a year, I'd guess.
-John Bishop
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1019.23 | Ideas for the home | WORDY::STEINHART | | Mon Jan 14 1991 17:16 | 39 |
| In the US today, being religious often means "going to ____" - fill in
church, synagogue, whatever. Being Jewish is much more encompassing
than organizational affiliation alone. Much of it is based in the
home. It includes diverse aspects including (not limited to) moral and
interpersonal behavior, food, celebration of Pesach Seder, Shabbat, and
other holidays, books, mezzuzot, and much more.
So, that makes your task easier, and harder. There are lots of ways to
bring Judaism into your lives, such as reading and owning Jewish books,
putting mezzuzot on the doors, preparing holiday and Shabbat foods and
including them in rituals such as Kiddush or Seder, lighting Shabbat
candles, even buying Jewish toys such as Hebrew-letter blocks. These
are all tactile things that kids love and remember from infancy.
If you only light Friday night candles you will maintain at least that
slim but strong link with heritage. If you get and read a book on
practical Judaism, that will give you good ideas. If you do a Friday
night kiddush (blessing of wine), give your child a tiny sip to share
the sweetness of Shabbat. Let your child help prepare Jewish foods
such as challah. You can start any time. You don't have to be
orthodox to benefit from the information provided by the local
Lubovitcher. They have brochures such as how to light candles, and are
very supportive. I'm not orthodox myself but have gotten benefit from
their teachings.
Going to Temple without Judaism in the home will not of your child a
practicing Jew make. I saw this too much growing up. There are so
many sweet things to share, and if you introduce them gently, hopefully
your husband won't mind. Personally, my earliest memories are of
making the Passover seder plate, tasting the charoses and horseradish,
wondering at the egg and bone, preparing the salt water all by myself.
And today, Passover has such great power for me. My adult intellectual
knowledge is built on the foundation of my childhood experiences.
Think of the impact of home Chirstmas trees and Easter eggs. Then find
such delightful and meaningful practices in Judaism.
Good luck,
Laura
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1019.24 | I did it my way! | DICKNS::STEWART | Caryn....Perspective is Everything! | Fri Jan 18 1991 23:04 | 77 |
| I know this is a bit late, but perhaps still relevant:
I'm married to a non-Jewish man and have an 8� year old son, plus "one on the
way". We've had the same discussions as you and your husband, but we were
able to come to a decision that so far seems to be working out great.
First, a little background:
My husband was raised Congregational (Protestant), in Maine, Sunday School
every week (even won awards for perfect attendence). As an adult, his
views on religion are sketchy at best. He still considers himself
Christian, although hasn't been to church in a bazillion years. When he's
described his beliefs, they're more Atheistic than Christian, but he likes
the label.
I was raised in NYC with little formal training in the Jewish traditions.
My mother's family was very reform. Mom decided at one point that she no
longer believed in organizied religion, and removed my sister and me from
Hebrew School. I still always identified with being Jewish, although felt a
bit lost without the formal knowledge and experiences.
Where my son is concerned, Bryan and I spoke about whether to raise him
Christian or Jewish - at the time I felt either would be ok, but, from my
own experience, that it was important to give him roots - an identity.
Bryan didn't want to get involved with going to church and reinforcing
Christian beliefs in Sean, so we decided to raise him Jewish with me being
the primary parent involved.
Opinion: The problem with raising a child in both religions is that it
becomes very confusing. Christians believe in Jesus, Jews don't even
acknowledge his existence, just for starters.
So, we joined a reform temple and enrolled Sean in the school there (and
you can bet he's the only "Sean" there!)
The truely bright side to our decision is that although Bryan has no
intention of converting, he participates with me and Sean at temple events
and services, and is very supportive. Helping his family to understand has
been slow, more so because they don't ask about it (their Maine way of
communicating - they are quite curious, just afraid to ask). But we are
making headway in that area. We celebrate all the major Jewish holidays
-and again Bryan participates, but as a supporter not as a Jew. Our first
Passover seder was shaky at best, but we muddled through!. We also go to
my in-laws for Christmas and celebrate with them.
I've never asked my husband to convert or to give up the traditions he grew
up with and enjoys (mostly Christmas, including having a tree), just as he
wouldn't ask me to give up my menorah at Chanukah or Passover seder. We
seem to have been able to manage both quite well and without conflict,
although I know many bagelers will scoff at the notion of an Xmas tree in a
"Jewish home". Ours is a 2-tradition home, with Sean and me (and Jr. on the
way) being Jewish, and Bryan being his brand of Christian. We support
and participate with eachother, while keeping our own identities.
Other replies have stressed the importance of providing your children with
roots - a foundation upon which to make a choice. I can't agree more.
Without something to compare other ideas and ideals to, how can they
possibly make a decision as important as this? They are always free to
change their religion, as many people do, when they grow up.
It is important, too, in our very mixed culture, to expose children to as
many different ways of life as possible. Not necessarily, in my opinion,
so they can have a pool to choose from, but so they can appreciate the
differences. I am reminded of how important this is every time Bryan
discovers something new about what it means to be Jewish -I am the first
Jewish person he ever knew - and he was 32 when we met!!
So my story has a happy ending, as I hope yours will too.
As a side note, I do know of a family, a Jewish man who married an ex-nun.
They're raising their son Jewish and their daughter Catholic. Certainly an
alternative for the more-than-one-child home, but how will these kids ever
relate to eachother as siblings??
Good luck in whatever you decide.
-Caryn
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We have agreed that, pending our son's own wishes at a more mature age,
I am free to raise him in my faith. Consequently, we did full Passover
Seder last year, as well as the High Holidays last fall, and a
mini-Channukah, too. I have not yet begun any kind of formal
training, as he is just getting used to pre-school...religious
school might be too much. He is beginning to understand the concept of
God, as well, but I had not realized how much he had been absorbing...
My son is almost 4 now, and Passover is approaching. My mother
and I were discussing buying Pesach food this morning, and my son
seemed completely unconcerned at first. However, as we were leaving
the house he inquired, "What's Passover, Mommy?", to which I responded
as simply as possible. "It's a religious holiday for Jewish people,
and since Mommy and Nana are Jewish, we will be celebrating it." He
thought a moment, and then said, "Me, too...I'm Jewish, aren't I,
Mommy?". I responded that he was, and he thought a moment more, and
commented, "But not Daddy, he's not Jewish." I agreed with him, and
explained that it was o.k. for Daddy not to be Jewish, that he had his
own religion that he likes better. He didn't seem to have any trouble
with that...
Well, the education phase begins...
M.
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