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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

1013.0. "question" by CORREO::RAMOS_J () Wed Dec 12 1990 02:33

    I have a friend from Israel who said that 80% of Israel (Jews)
    are atheists. I find it odd, because history of Israel is base on
    religion. I think ? I have little knowlegde of Jewish history
    and culture. That is way I am participating in this conference.
    Can some one help me ?
    
        Jos�
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1013.1We all do believe in miracles!!!TAVIS::JUANWed Dec 12 1990 18:4215
     Hola Jos�, por fin alguien a quien puedo escribir como se debe!
     (at last someone I can write as it shoild be done!)

     In my humble view, I believe that about 80% of us here are non-
     observant Jews, i.e., we do not follow to the dot (al pie de la
     letra) all the TARIAG (613) different Mitzvoth (commandments) the 
     Sages have found Jews should follow.

     To say that we are atheists... Well, we all believe in miracles,
     if not, would we be living here?

     Saludos,

     Juan-Carlos Kiel @ISO

1013.2Puerto RicoCORREO::RAMOS_JWed Dec 12 1990 23:586
    Hola Juan, Qu� pasa ?
      Are you tell me that Jews believe in miracles but are atheist ?
    I hope you understand me .
    
    Su amigo Jos�.
    
1013.3Not so many atheists......TAVIS::BARUCHin the land of milk and honeyThu Dec 13 1990 08:3821
>    I have a friend from Israel who said that 80% of Israel (Jews)
>    are atheists. I find it odd, because history of Israel is base on
>    religion. 

Hola or Shalom

I think the term atheist is probably being misused here.  It is true that 
the majority of the population of Israel is basically secular.  Most people
do not go to synagogue or even keep the most basic of religious beliefs.
However, many people, who do not keep the mitzvot, will still say that they 
are Jewish when asked, and many have a basic belief in G-d.  Many will turn
up for synagogue once a year, on Yom Kippur, and say kaddish (memorial
prayers) when they suffer a bereavement.

The Jewish religion is very central to the history of the people of Israel,
but the modern state has a basis in national as well as religious feelings.
Without the continued existance of the Jewish religion during the years of 
the diaspora, there would be no Israel today.

B'brachot (with blessings)
Baruch
1013.4BOLT::MINOWCheap, fast, good; choose twoFri Dec 14 1990 16:5115
re: .2:
      Are you tell me that Jews believe in miracles but are atheist ?

Certainly.  It's a miracle! :-)

Einstein was once quoted as saying "The religion I'm not is Judiasm."

Judiasm has been described as a "tribal" religion.  I.e., Jews are
a "people" [gente] and the outer trappings of worship are somewhat less
important than in other religions.  There are many books written on this
that I would have to refer you to.

Feliz Navidad y feliz a�o nuevo.

Martin.