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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

991.0. "Blood-thirsty murderers get their due" by GAON::jem (Anacronym: an outdated acronym) Wed Oct 31 1990 17:14


Three Arabs who returned to their jobs in Bene Berak after
the ban was lifted were setting up a bomb on the central
Rabbi Akiva Street when it exploded, killing one, and blowing
off the hands of the others.

There were also three other murder attempts in various parts
of the country on the part of Arab attackers. In the hallowed
halls of the U.N., little discussion of condemnation was heard.
Hmmm....

Jem
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991.1NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Oct 31 1990 19:431
Headline in The Boston Globe: "3 Palestinians die as violence erupts again."
991.2where is justice?TALLIS::COHENWed Oct 31 1990 20:0518
    The UN is merely a body that due to it's make up, is interested
    only in condemming Israel and the U.S..  Last week when thirty
    or so voters were shot in Sri Lanka by government troops, was
    anyone condemned?  Did Saudi Arabia get condemned when 400
    pilgrims died in mecca a few years back? When Abu Nidal, or
    various PLO factions take responsiblity for heinious crimes
    in Israel or Europe does anyone get condemned?  In Russia where
    there have recently been attacks on Jews, were they condemned?
    
    Of course not!!!!
    
    Not that I wish to be an "isolationist", but as an American,
    I have to ask why are we subsidizing a body that serves little
    positive purpose, other than creating a forum for third world
    countries to launch negative campaigns against Israel and the U.S.,
    while attempting to spread them apart.
    
    Ron
991.3Why the U.N.TACT04::SIDThu Nov 01 1990 08:5822
<.1> 	Headline in The Boston Globe: "3 Palestinians 
<.1>	die as violence erupts again."

Please tell me you were being facetious, and that this wasn't *really*
the headline...

<.2> why are we subsidizing a body that serves little
<.2> positive purpose, other than creating a forum for third world
<.2> countries to launch negative campaigns against Israel and the U.S.

You could ask the same question about why Israel remains a member.  The
answer is that for all the problems with that organization, it still remains
the world's only international forum for countries to debate their differences
rather than resort to war.  As the Hebrew (ungrammatical) expression has it,
"zeh ma yesh" -- that's what there is -- and until we come up with something
better, it seems foolish to abandon it.  Besides which, for all the blah-blah
(and worse) of the General Assembly, the UN has various committees which 
provide for very useful international cooperation on thinks like standards
(e.g., communications and measurement standards, not standards of behavior),
weather watch, etc.

Sid
991.4It's trueDECSIM::GROSSThe bug stops hereThu Nov 01 1990 17:1614
<.1> 	Headline in The Boston Globe: "3 Palestinians 
<.1>	die as violence erupts again."

<.3> Please tell me you were being facetious, and that this wasn't *really*
<.3> the headline...

It's true. I dashed off to our library and found it on the back page
of the first section of Wednesday's Globe. The story covered 3 separate
incidents; the bombing, a security guard who shot and killed an assailant
who stabbed him, and a murder suspect who refused police orders to halt.

I cancelled my Globe subscription ages ago.

Dave
991.5Words fail me...TACT04::SIDThu Nov 01 1990 22:080
991.6The UN is not working outTALLIS::COHENFri Nov 02 1990 19:4420
    The Jews have been waiting for the messiah for quite some time. 
    Apparently we are a very patient race.  We Jews have been waiting
    for peace in Israel since 48'. We have been patient there too.
    The U.N. as it was conceived was supposed to be a forum to resolve
    world problems rather than to resort to war.  Not everyone is so
    patient though. The world has had a few casualties since the U.N.
    was chartered. I recall the Viet Nam war, the six day war in 67',
    Angola, etc. etc. etc. etc...
    
    It is starting to become apparent to me that maybe the U.N. is not
    helping to stop wars.  What is apparent though is that it has become
    a forum where we (the U.S.) can be maligned and have our allies
    maligned, and then asked to pick up the "check", and subsidize our
    tormenters.
    
    My point is, the UN is getting to be like a bad marriage. Either you
    see a counsilor, and work your problems, or you see a lawyer and
    resolve the problem.
    
    Ron