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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

983.0. "Meaning of "Yontiff"" by --UnknownUser-- () Mon Oct 01 1990 17:52

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983.1yontiff = yom tov = holidaySUBWAY::RAYMANone of the usual suspects...Mon Oct 01 1990 18:597
the hebrew word for holiday is "Yom Tov" (lit "good day")
yontiff is the yiddish pronounciation, a corruption of the original.

good yontiff!

		Louuuuuuuuuuuuuu

983.2standard holiday greetingCADSYS::HECTOR::RICHARDSONMon Oct 01 1990 19:004
    It's from "Yom Tov", meaning a holiday (yom = day, tov = good).  So it
    is basically "happy holiday".
    
    /Charlotte
983.3who was that : man? woman?TUNER::COHENMon Oct 01 1990 20:177
    	re .1
    
    	Are you saying that someone would replace a [mem] with
    	a [nuen] and change an entire base word.  must be some
    	heretic!!
    
    	Roland
983.4Slight change of languageYOUNG::YOUNGTue Oct 02 1990 00:2512
    Re: .3
    
    What's even worse is when they take Yom and completely change it to
    Holy, then translate Tov as Day, and get Holiday by changing the vowel.
    
    But, I guess when you change the language, as from Hebrew to Yiddish or
    English the sound may change a bit.
    
    (and only two days ago I was repenting for my cynicism?)
    
    				Paul
    
983.5set bad_joke followsNYEM1::MILBERGI was a DCC - 3 jobs ago!Tue Oct 02 1990 03:3111
    Of course, there is always the derivation of the phrase that goes:
    
    	What would you say to the Pope on Yom Kippur?
    
    
    	Good Yontiff, Pontiff!
    
    I couldn't resist....
    
    	-Barry-
    
983.6another levelTAV02::FEINBERGDon FeinbergTue Oct 02 1990 13:548
	Can't resist two more cents...

	Of course, it isn't "good yunteff".  It really should be
	"gut yunteff", if you want it in Yiddish.  The "good yunteff"
	is an American (I think) derivative.

don
983.7BOLT::MINOWCheap, fast, good; choose twoThu Oct 04 1990 18:585
If I may put on my linguist's hat for a moment, "m t" -> "n t" is
a prefectly natural sound change, especially for a primarily spoken
language.  It's hardly a "corruption."

Martin.
983.8authorless notes...SLSTRN::RADWINI think, fer sureTue Oct 09 1990 17:0710
    >>                         <<< Note 983.0 by  >>>
    >>                       -< Meaning of "Yontiff" >-
    
    re base note:
    
    isn't there a policy against including notes that don't have
    an author/node listed?
    
    
    Gene
983.9VAXNOTES normal behaviorCLT::CLTMAX::dickSchoeller - Failed XperimentTue Oct 09 1990 18:2912
Gene,

That's the way NOTES works.  If you delete a base note an empty one with no
author and the same title as the original is created in its place.  That is
because the file format of the conference file requires there to be a base
note.  If there were a real note there, there is no way (without doing some
tricks and having an account on TAVENG) to take the author string off of the
note.

I am not sure why the author thought it was necessary to delete the base note.

Gav