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Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
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981.0. "Temple Services" by VLNVAX::ALECLAIRE () Mon Sep 24 1990 20:13

    What happens during Temple services? 
    How do the High Holidays differ from the norm?
    How are the services between Orthodix , Conservative and Reformed
    different?
    
    -Andrew
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981.1oopsVLNVAX::ALECLAIREMon Sep 24 1990 20:162
    I'm sorry I spelled Orthodox wrong, it was a mistake I didn't want to
    make. I did not intend any insults, I don't type very well. 
981.2not so simpleTAV02::FEINBERGDon FeinbergTue Sep 25 1990 10:4118
	Simple answer:  we pray.

	Complex answer: I think it will be exceedingly difficult to 
	give you a sensible answer in a few lines.  There are many
	books available which will satisfy your question.

	Two, to start: 

		Prager and Telushkin:  "Nine Questions People Ask About
					Judaism" (relatively "simple"). 
					Available in paperback.

		Rabbi H. Donin: To Pray as a Jew (relatively "complex")

	There are many others.

don feinberg
981.3NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Tue Sep 25 1990 17:395
Another book --

"What Christians Should Know About Jews and Judaism"
Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein
(published by Word, Waco, TX).
981.4This is a complicated question.CADSYS::HECTOR::RICHARDSONTue Sep 25 1990 19:2669
    Talk about a comprehensive question....
    
    I belong to a reform synagogue; someone may yet flame you for using
    "temple", even though some synagogues call themselves that, since the
    word is usually reserved for the Temple (in Jerusalem).  As reform
    synagogues go, ours is closer to the conservative side than many.
    
    Rosh Hashanah services are basically the same as weekday services. 
    There are some extra prayers, and some prayers have extra words,
    sentences, or paragraphs inserted into them (always good for a bit of
    confusion for those who have the normal version memorized and do not
    follow the printed words closely!).  Yom Kippur services parallel the
    sacrifical services that would have been taking place in the Temple,
    and include long sections reciting what the High Priest would have been
    doing at that time (e.g., making a sacrifice to purify himself, his
    sons, the whole people, etc.).  A very long section near the end of the
    day (which is a 25-hour full fast day - not even water!  Though I
    usually cheat and take a glass of water late in the afternoon, since I
    often get sick the next day if I don't.) is done standing up
    traditionally - one of the differences in our service is that you are
    not required to stand for the whole section (I never was able to
    anyhow, especially in hot weather - luckily the holidays are pretty
    late this year and it shouldn't be real hot).  There are other long
    sections which are community confessions of sins.  You are supposed to
    take the week between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur to make amends for
    the things you have done wrong since the previous year, and forgive the
    people who have done things to you; the theory being that only you can
    make restitution for things you have done to other people.
    
    If you are truly interested in what the services are like, borrow a
    prayerbook and a high holiday prayerbook (siddur and machzor,
    respectively) from a Jewish friend after the holidays, and take a look.
    Some of the high holiday prayerbooks (like mine) have the Torah and
    haftarah (reading from the Prophets) included, so you don't need to
    look them up, and nearly all of them have everything translated into
    English as well as the original Hebrew (usually with the vowels).  I
    wouldn't suggest trying to visit a local synagogue during the High
    Holidays, though you would be welcomed otherwise, because it is likely
    to be packed to the rafters.
    
    The prayers are basically the same.  A liberal congregation, such as
    ours, will do half of them in English.  If you were to visit a very
    strict congregation, everything would be in Hebrew except for the
    sermon (drash).  There are a few wording changes; for example, there is
    a sentence in one prayer where the men thank G-d for not making them
    women, which is omitted in liberal congregations.  (Of course, in a very
    tradtional congregation, you would not be able to see the women anyhow,
    as we would all be seated behind a wall or screen to avoid
    "distracting" the men while they pray.  I think you can tell what I
    think about this particular custom...!)
    
    On Yom Kippur evening, men will wear prayer shawls (tallises), which
    are usually only worn during the daytime (in a liberal congregation
    like ours, some women also wear them).  In a real strict congregation,
    some or all of the men will wear a white jacket (kittle), which is worn
    for solemn occasions (weddings, Passover by some people, and for
    burial).  Many people will not wear leather products on Yom Kippur, in
    sympathy with domestic animals, so you see people in sneakers.  On Yom
    Kippur, during the prayer that talks about bowing before G-d, some
    people will prostrate themselves, or at least bow much lower than they
    do for the same prayer in the normal service.   The Yom Kippur service
    ends with a shofar blast (a horn made from a ram's horn, sort of a
    valveless trumpet).   (Then you go drink a gallon of apple juice, eat
    some bread and sliced apples, and get a migraine...)
    
    I hope this helps some - you really asked a pretty comprehensive
    question!
    
    /Charlotte             
981.5!!?!?!?!SUBWAY::RAYMANone of the usual suspects...Thu Sep 27 1990 00:4429
.4> someone may yet flame you for using
.4> "temple", even though some synagogues call themselves that, since the
.4>  word is usually reserved for the Temple (in Jerusalem).0

talk about asking for flames...
being only a few days before Yom Kippur, i will try to control myself

1) has anyone REALLY gotten flamed for using the word 'temple' ?!?

2) /Charlotte is correct in stating that the basic outline of the prayers on
Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur is the same as the prayers on Shabbat and the
other holidays.  The main differences are that on R.H. prayers are added that
emphasize G-d's kingship (sovereignty is a better word) over the world, His
rememberence of man's deeds, and His revelation of Himself to man.  On Y.K. 
the main emphasis is on confession of ones sins and praying for forgivness.
A large part of the Y.K. Musaf service is a recounting of the High Priest's 
service in the Beit HaMikdash.

3) Only leather SHOES may not be worn on Y.K.  It is perfectly permissible to
wear a leather jacket, pants, skirt, underwear or anything else, but not shoes.
This is one of the 5 'afflictions' of Yom Kippur, the others being eating and 
drinking (counts as one), bathing, smearing oneself with oils (or makeup or 
perfume or ...), and sexual relations.

4) this is not the time nor the place to get into the 'women are second class
citizens in orthodox judaism' argument.


				Louuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
981.6The shofarDECSIM::GROSSThe bug stops hereThu Sep 27 1990 16:168
I'm surprised no one mentioned sounding the shofar during Rosh HaShanah
services. The shofar (a hollow ram's horn, blown in trumpet fashion) is
mentioned often in the Hebrew bible. It symbolizes many things, but to
me it is a "wake-up" signal. It is time to wake up to the new year. It
is time to rouse your ethical sense, seek forgiveness for last year's
screw-ups, and start the new year with a clean slate.

Dave
981.7BAREFOOT and not leather-lessTAVIS::JUANThu Sep 27 1990 19:5129
Re: -1

>3) Only leather SHOES may not be worn on Y.K.  It is perfectly permissible to
>wear a leather jacket, pants, skirt, underwear or anything else, but not shoes.
>This is one of the 5 'afflictions' of Yom Kippur, the others being eating and 
>drinking (counts as one), bathing, smearing oneself with oils (or makeup or 
>perfume or ...), and sexual relations.

The "affliction" not to wear leather SHOES originated most probably from the
request to go BAREFOOT, as the High Priest would go when entering the "Sancta
Sanctorum" Kodesh HaKodashim of the Temple. I can hardly relate to going to
the temple with a flashing pair of Reebocks as an "affliction".

>4) this is not the time nor the place to get into the 'women are second class
>citizens in orthodox judaism' argument.

Why not? 

I doubt if the religious restrictions for women would stand in a legal
case for Equal Rights. 

ULehavdil elef alfey havdalot, to all BAGELers, all around the world:

Please receive you all my best wishes for this New Year.

Best regards,

Juan-Carlos.

981.8CLT::CLTMAX::dickSchoeller - Failed XperimentFri Sep 28 1990 00:156
As far as I know, all Reeboks have some leather on them  8^{).  So your going to
have to wear those ugly black crepe soled shoes.

L'shana Tova!  Everyone have an easy fast.

Gav
981.92 out of 4SQGUK::LEVYThe BloodhoundFri Sep 28 1990 08:237
    Also, on Yom Kippur, we read from the Torah a section which
    states which relationships are forbidden.
    
    The book of Jonah is also read.
    
    Malcolm