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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

971.0. "Etiquette question" by DECSIM::GROSS (The bug stops here) Thu Aug 23 1990 01:14

My wife happened to spot a woman (a stranger) wearing one of those little
black mourner's ribbons the other day. She was wondering if it would be OK
to speak to the woman and convey her condolences. I couldn't figure this
one out either. What do you Bagelers think?

Dave
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971.1Might not have been JewishCPDW::SEIDMANAaron SeidmanThu Aug 23 1990 07:3011
    I think that it is a strange situation; one normally wears the ribbon
    (or a torn piece of clothing, depending on how one does the kriah)
    during shiva, when one does not go out.  During shiva it is customary
    to wait for the bereaved to initiate conversation.
    
    There *is* a custom among some non-Jewish groups to wear something
    black for an extended period of time (I think a year) after a loss.
    (Did your wife happen to notice if the ribbon was torn?  If not, the
    woman probably was not Jewish.
    
    					Aaron
971.2Was tornDECSIM::GROSSThe bug stops hereThu Aug 23 1990 23:5410
Yes, it was torn.

Out in the "greater-Maynard" suburbs we meet all types.

Five years ago, my wife lost both parents at virtually the
same time. She was in such a state that she didn't feel like
taking the ribbons off for a month. I think she wanted to
share her story with this woman.

Dave
971.3I went ahead and asked...SYSTMX::HACHELife is like an analogyFri Aug 24 1990 01:0014
    
    I recently saw a woman wearing a torn ribbon too.  I knew
    that it was a sign of mourning (I'm not jewish...just an
    observer) but thought it was odd that she wore it after 
    shiva.  
    
    I've known her since I moved to Newton last year, (she 
    owns/runs a Hallmark shop in my neighborhood... I'm a sucker
    for greeting cards!) and so I asked her about it, just as
    I would ask a Christian that I knew was in mourning.  
    
    I hope it wasn't a faux pas...
    
    dm 
971.4Not a faux pasCASP::SEIDMANAaron SeidmanFri Aug 24 1990 02:477
    re: .3
    
    If someone wears a sign of mourning in public, they have to be aware
    that others will notice.  I would think that in that case, normal rules
    of common sense and sensitivity would apply.
    
    					Aaron