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Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

939.0. "New Book - worth your time..." by TAV02::FEINBERG (Don Feinberg) Thu May 17 1990 13:36

I have no time to type in a large amount of a new book I just read, but I
want to make you aware it's existence, and give you some idea of its
content. 

Just published (April, 1990):  "Can Israel Survive a Palestinian State?"
Israel Strategic and Policy Studies Institute, Jerusalem.

The book is a geo-political-military analysis of the impact of a potential
Palestinian state in the Shomron and Gaza. There are many original "3-D"
relief maps and many other illustrations which are quite illuminating. 

There is also printed the full text of the _American_ Joint-Chiefs-of-Staff
report, which was just declassified from Top Secret late last year. Subject:
"Defensible Borders for Israel:  Analysis and Recommendations."   An
eye-opener. George Bush should read it.

There is also an extensive essay on UN Resolution "242", written by one of
242's authors (Rostow). A lot of the diplomatic process leading to the
adoption of 242, the negotiation of the content and wording of 242, etc. are
presented in (sometimes oppresive) detail.  The author also provides an
uncomfortably candid comparison of what the "242" working group intended
(which is part of the UN record...) and what is "commonly understood" to be
the meaning of "242" today.  Another real eye-popper. 

I can't volunteer to type a lot of this in.  It's 165 pages in print, and
the illustrations are key.  Maybe I'll get to type in the last to items.

But, I could propose this:  The book is on sale for 40 shekels here in 
Israel (about $20).  If it's not available in the US, I'd be willing to
order copies here for interested people, at $20 each plus postage, and
I will ship copies to you.  (Airmail would be about $6 or $7 each, I
imagine, but I haven't checked.)  I think it's worth the price.

Any interest?  If so, please send mail to TAV02::FEINBERG.

don feinberg
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939.1Black Sea and Persian Gulf?MINAR::BISHOPThu May 17 1990 19:583
    So, what _are_ the defensible borders for Israel?
    
    			-John Bishop
939.2ISBN #?HAMPS::NOBLEFri May 18 1990 14:245
    
    	What's the ISBN # of the Book then it can get traced by local
    bookstores?
    
    	n.n
939.3Some more detailsTAV02::FEINBERGDon FeinbergTue May 22 1990 14:5673
>What's the ISBN # of the Book then it can get traced by local bookstores? 
    
	The ISBN is 0-921791-02-7.

	Title: "Can Israel Survive A Palestinian State?"

	Author: Michael Widlanski, Editor and Project Coordinator
	
	Publisher: Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies,
		   Jerusalem

	Contributors:
	- Former US Undersecretary of State Eugene Rostow
	- Prof. Daniel Pipes, Director Foreign Policy Research Inst.
	- Prof. Harvey Mansfield, Jr., Harvard Univ.
	- Gen. Aharon Levran, former deputy cmndr, Israeli Army Intelligence
	- Michael Widlanski, policy analyst, IASPS
	- Prof. Robert Loewenberg, President, IASPS

	Contents:

	Section I: Military and Strategic Aspects
	
	a. Military Dangers to Israel

	b. Strategic Dangers to Israel

	c. Regional Military and Strategic Considerations

	d. Summary Conclusions


	Section II: 

	a. Resolution 242 Today: Historical and Legal Aspects
	   Eugene V. Rostow

	   Document: Text of Resolution 242

	b. Must the US Square the Arab-Israeli Circle?
	   Daniel Pipes

	c. Outside Guarantees and an Arab-Israeli Peace
	   Michael Widlanski

	   Document: The Ford-Rabin Letter (One of several secret American
	   committments to Israel concerning territorial depth and the
	   Arab-Israeli peace process)

	d. Dialogue of the Experts: Excerpts from four IASPS Task Force
	   Seminars and Correspondence. [Long list of contributors]

	   Document: The Allon Plan. (The first publication of the 
	   top-secret plan presented to the Israeli Cabinet by Yigal Allon
	   in June, 1967.)

	e. Secure Borders:  A US-Labor-Likud Consensus
	   Michael Widlanski (An examination of the Pentagon Plan, the Allon
	   Plan, and the Camp David Accords.)

	   Document: The Pentagon Plan. (The first complete publication of 
	   the  plan presented by the US Joint Chiefs of Staff concerning
	   the minimum strategic depth required by Israel for defensive
	   purposes.)

	f. A Reflection on Peace in the Middle East
	   Harvey Mansfield, Jr.

	g. What is Israel's Real Agenda?
	   Robert Loewenberg


don feinberg
939.4What is the summary opinion?WAV13::STEINHARTToto, I think we're not in Kansas anymoreThu May 24 1990 00:116
    Could you please tell us a brief summary of the book's chief points?
    (That is, if there is any agreement between the contributors.)  What
    conclusions do they agree on?
    
    Thanks.
    Laura
939.5short summaryTAV02::FEINBERGDon FeinbergThu May 24 1990 19:3294
      From the book's summary (reproduced without permission):



           A Palestinian Arab state west of the  Jordan  River  would  not

      bring  a  stable Middle East peace.  Rather, it would likely lead to

      chronic regional instability ending in a general  Arab-Israeli  war.

      Such  a state poses strategic and military risks for Israel that can

      only  be  described  as  "unthinkable".   Israel  cannot  rationally

      acquiesce  in the creation of an independent Palestinian state which

      would reduce Israel's mid-section to a width of  9  miles,  east  to

      west,   put   its   sole   international  airport  within  range  of

      shoulder-launched missiles, and  place  four  of  its  major  cities

      within 15 miles of the new state's border.



           There is  no  two-state  or  two-sovereignty  solution  to  the

      Arab-Israeli conflict.  If this conflict is perceived, as now it is,

      as a struggle between the Jews of Israel and the Arab inhabitants of

      the  West Bank and Gaza, it is irresolvable by a two-state solution.

      Considerations of such a solution inevitably  involve  modifications

      or   "options"   such   as   demilitarized   zones,  no-man's-lands,

      peace-keeping forces or even  utopian  and  millennial  speculations

      about  relations  between  Arabs  and  Jews.  The compelling need to

      offer these options only  points  up  the  study's  finding  that  a

      two-sovereignty solution does not exist.



           By giving up the West Bank to and Arab state, Israel  undermies

      its  security  and  gives  away a key instrument of deterrence.  The

      military consequences of  such  a  move,  in  addition  to  imposing

      life-threatening   reductions  in  Israel's  mobilization  time  and

      granting corresponding advantages to the various Arab war coalitions

      in air and land attack time, include the dreaded prospect of pushing

      Israel into a trip-wire mechanism.  In other words, the creation  of

      an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza moves the

      Middle East region (and not only this  region)  into  the  stage  of

      unconventional   warfare:   chemical,  biological,  and  above  all,

      nuclear.



           The Arab regular armies of the "eastern front" opposite the IDF

      will  create  a numerical superiority of at least four to one agains

      Israel.  The odds grow worse for Israel depending on the size of the

      Iraqi expeditionary force.  If Egypt joined the fray, there would be

      a  force  ratio  of  seven  to  one  agains  Israel  (1,142,000  vs.

      141,000).   Because the West Bank is a natural tank trap, control of

      the region by Israel will enable it to  repel  this  war  coalition.

      Above  all, Israeli possession will deter this coalition from acting

      in the first place.  Conversely, the threat from  these  territories

      (quite  aside  from a voluntary relinquishment of them), is a threat

      to Israel's existence.



           The strategic  and  military  consequences  of  an  independent

      Palestinian  state in the West Bank will exist no matter who governs

      such a state and whether it is strong or weak.  This is  because  of

      the  strategic  realities  imposed  by  geography and modern weapons

      systems.


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           An independent Palestinian state would be run by the  PLO.   It

      would  be  a  springboard  for  surrounding  hostile  states,  Syria

      particularly.  Even if the intention of the PLO were not to  destroy

      Israel,  a supposition contrary to fact, the temptation would become

      irresistable as the means to do so improve.   Thie  perception  woul

      excite  long-held  Arab  hopes  to destroy Israel, and would tend to

      radicalize the Arab states.



           The conventional wisdom that the Arabs have learned  that  they

      "can't  destroy Israel" is not the perception of the Arabs.  Neither

      is it true.  Creation of  an  independent  Palestinian  state  would

      focus  this perception by greatly improving the likelihood, thus the

      eventuality, of destroying Israel in fact.  The new state under  the

      direction of the PLO woul stimulate by design (a non-PLO state would

      do so simply by  its  existence)  the  nationalist  aspirations  and

      anti-Israel  sentiments  of  the  Arabs  inside Israel.  In spite of

      Israeli hopes and wishes, Israeli  Arabs  identify  with  West  Bank

      Arabs.   An  independent  state  would  exacerbate the terrorist and

      irredentist problems for Israel to a point of  intolerability,  and,

      for  the Arabs, at low cost.  Precisely because the increase of Arab

      unrest, world pressure would be raised against Israel.  This in turn

      would  restrain  Israel's  ability  to  control  resistance, further

      stimulating revolt.  In sum, an insependent Palestinian state is  no

      option for Israel.



           While Israel's strategic and military experts differ  in  their

      views  about  how to deal with the strategic and military dangers to

      be posed by an  independent  Palestinian  state,  a  firm  consensus

      exists  that  such  a  state  would  in  fact  pose an unacceptable,

      "unthinkable" threat to Israel.



           The  two-sovereignty  solution  is  untenable.   There  is   no

      two-state solution west of the Jordan River.  No state, particularly

      a democratic one, should ever be asked to commit  suicide,  or  even

      think  of steps tantamount to it.  Therefore, Israel has no rational

      ground to accede to the creation of an independent state, or even to

      talk about it.

939.6Consensus among whom?CASP::SEIDMANAaron SeidmanFri May 25 1990 01:3947
    I've seen this summary before (Jerusalem Post?).  It raises some
    important issues and deserves careful attention.  It does not follow,
    however, that all its conclusions are valid.
    
  >While Israel's strategic and military experts differ...a  firm  consensus
  >exists  that  such  a  state  would  in  fact  pose an unacceptable,
  >"unthinkable" threat to Israel
    
    In some quarters such a consensus exists, but not in all.

   >       The  two-sovereignty  solution  is  untenable.   There  is   no
   > two-state solution west of the Jordan River.
    
    That MAY be true, but there are people who think it is worth
    discussing, and many of those people live in Israel.
    
   > two-state solution west of the Jordan River.  No state, particularly
   > a democratic one, should ever be asked to commit  suicide,  or  even
   > think  of steps tantamount to it
    
    But who defines what those steps are?  The thesis of this book is that
    since it is an impossibility, Israel should not even talk about it. 
    There are others that argue that a two-state solution is a certainty
    and therefore Israel has to be forced to talk about it.  I don't happen
    to agree that it is either, and I think that one way to find out is to
    talk about it.
    
    There is a mindset that equates words with actions and things; words
    are powerful but they are not actions and they are not things.  The
    fact that we talk about something does not mean we must inevitably do
    it.  I too, am skeptical of Arafat's intentions, but I do not think
    that talking to the PLO is equivalent to committing suicide, nor do I
    advocate making decisions on the basis of good-will.  The problem is to
    find a solution which is in the self-interest of both sides; those are
    the kinds of agreements that endure.  There is no certainty that such a
    solution exists, but we dimish the likelihood of finding it if we
    refuse to even look for it.
    
    					Aaron
    
    (I do see one positive sign in this notes file; Jews and Arabs have
    managed to exchange several comments without screaming at each other,
    which is what has usually happened within about 48 hours in the past.
    I hope that can continue.  It is not necessary that we find agreement
    --although that would be nice; just being able to disagree in a civil
    manner is progress.)