Conference taveng::bagels

    Is there another notes conference where you could also post
    this memo? Perhaps put a copy in some of the other conferences
    such as International Product Issues (DELNI::WORLDWIDE) or
    Ask EasyNet (ANYWAY::ASKENET). Is there an IDECUS or DECUS notes
    conference? I looked through the EASYNOTES.LIS but didn't see
    one.
    
    Diane
    
    

    As Posted in VNS this morning Spring IDECUS was cancelled due to the
    current Business Climate. 

    Don't expect to see another IDECUS until the stock reaches 190 again.
    
    --David

    Re: .2
    
    Warren, the cancellation does NOT solve the problem.  It avoided it!
    
    We have all seen this with DECUS, DECworld, Excellence Awards, etc.
    
    After each occurance, we've been told that "it would never happen
    again".  Yeah, right!
    
    In reality, DEC values the differences of all groups OTHER than Jews.
    
    I, for one, have grown tired of excuses and apologies.
    
    Mark

    RE:-1
    
    I agree with you.  Sorry for my poor attempt at sarcasm.  The problem is
    that Digital continues to do last minute planning.  Most companies
    schedule events such as DECworld, etc.  3 years or more in advance and
    then they get the dates that they want.  DEC continues to schedule
    events >1 year in advance and then they get what is available.  And
    guess what dates are available, the dates no-one else wants because
    they conflict with Jewish Holidays.
    
    But there is another side to the problem.  I, in the past, asked people
    why they scheduled events on Jewish Holidays, especially  activities
    that could easily be rescheduled.  The answer was the usual apologies
    and very often a statement that So-and-so, who is Jewish, reviewed the
    dates and they didn't say anything.  While this doesn't excuse the
    matter it does point out that we ALL must be vigilant.
    
    Warren

    Re: .4
    
    A long ways back in this conference (at least a few years) during one
    of these similar discussions I stated that because of our minority
    position in the Diaspora that we'd have to play with the cards that are
    dealt us.  Yes, we should appeal any scheduling of DEC events during
    our holidays, but can we expect a company the size of DEC to cancel
    plans, reschedule, etc. because of them?  This would be exceptional to
    say the least.
    
    I suggest that if the company cannot reschedule that all we can do is
    inform those in charge that we cannot attend, and we would like any
    videos/hand-outs, etc. from the event so that we may review them later.
    
    --David

    re: .6
    
    Being a minority, we can't, I agree, expect DEC to always be sensitive to
    our traditions and holidays.  However, when DEC schedules major
    events that conflict with Jewish holidays, it is not only employees
    who may be inconvenienced.   Customers may be affected as well.
    Joe Blow (or Joe Rosenberg), CIO of ABC Ltd, won't be thrilled to
    learn that DEC wants him to attend a presentation on the night of
    the first seder.                             
                                                              
    Gene
    

    re: .6 
    
    Demand is too strong but insist is about where I believe we should stand. 
    I have spoken to people who do this planning and it greatly upsets them
    that they HAD to schedule it on a Jewish Holiday.  There is a high
    level of sensitivity on their parts.  Its just that those who come to
    the table late have to be satisfied with what is left and Digital is
    almost always coming to the table late.  As .7 pointed out customers
    are effected as well. Decisions at customers are often team efforts and
    isn't unlikely that one member of any given customer management team is
    Jewish.

    A nit: IDECUS doesn't involve customers, so for once, that's not an
    argument.

    
    
>>    A nit: IDECUS doesn't involve customers, so for once, that's not an
>>    argument.
    
    In the case of IDECUS, WE are the customers!  
    
    Let the argument stand!

    Re: a few previous
    
    You may be right regarding sensitivity in planning, and it is
    encouraging to hear that those involved in planning are sensitive.  In
    regards to Jewish members of executive planning committees, there are
    two Weiss's on the executive committee, Harvey Weiss and Abbott Weiss. 
    How much influence do they have in planning corporate events, and
    better yet how high is their self-consciousness as Jews?
    
    --David 

As a moderator of Bagels, I'm afraid that I must state that I feel that
discussion of the religion (or form of observance) of identifiable Dec
employees is improper according to my understanding of applicable
personnel policies.


Please be sensitive to the privacy of other employees.

Martin.

>> Please be sensitive to the privacy of other employees.

You are absolutely correct; I apologize.  I have deleted my note.

Waky