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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

861.0. "Family Names" by DOCSRV::STARIN (My other ham shack is a Gooneybird) Tue Jan 02 1990 13:55

    I am curious about the development of modern Jewish family names.
    
    My understanding was that some time during the 15th/16th centuries,
    it was decreed in many European countries that everyone had to have
    a family name - for a price, of course, if you didn't have one. This
    was also a revenue-enhancing move by the various governments because
    they knew Jews did not have family names and so were charged premium
    rates.
    
    Often the family names chosen reflected a trade or occupation or
    were taken from various feudal lords who ruled in a particular area.
    
    As it turns out, that is what happened in my family in and around
    Zutphen, Holland (not far from Germany). The result is I don't really
    know who my family members were - they just took the name of a local
    landowner.
    
    Although I have not yet definitively established any Jewish roots yet
    in my family, I was under the impression that only Jews did not
    have family names (in the European sense). Is that a correct assumption
    or at one time did this apply to everybody.
    
    This may belong also in the GENEALOGY notesfile but I thought I
    would start here.
    
    Thanks.
    
    Mark
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861.1A follow-upDOCSRV::STARINMy other ham shack is a GooneybirdTue Jan 02 1990 14:2212
    Also, since I don't have ready access to an Encyclopedia Judaica,
    does anyone know when Jews were allowed to own property (like land)
    in Holland? Could they have been landowner's at all in say the 17th
    century?
    
    I'm pretty sure 17th century Holland was quite enlightened for its day
    but I vaguely remember reading that such reforms did not occur there
    until the late 18th or early 19th century but I may be wrong.
    
    Thanks.
    
    Mark
861.2Dark corners of my memory...:-)SUTRA::LEHKYI'm phlegmatic, and that's cool.Thu Jan 04 1990 06:0714
    Family names were uncommon in Germany and Austria, for a long time.
    When they were introduced, many people chose the description of their
    activity (Fischer, M�ller, Schmied, B�cker, Wirt, Bauer, etc...), their
    origin (Wiener, Prager, Neudorfer, etc...), or a physical particularity
    (Sch�n, Klein, Lang, Kurz, etc...), or a tool, or, or, or...
    
    Jews in Austria were told (not too sure about all details, but that's
    the main idea) to use plant and a set of other names or combinations
    thereof, hence the "typical" Jewish names in Austria, and elsewhere
    (Rosenzweig, Blum, Mandel, Mandelbaum, Rosenblatt, Stock, etc...).
    
    Historically yours,
    
    Chris