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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

852.0. "Neturai Karta" by ABE::STARIN (INT QRK INT ZBO K) Wed Dec 13 1989 08:48

    Although this was dealt with in a previous note (I think), and since
    I am in the process of reading, "This Is My G_d" by Herman Wouk,
    does the group known as "Neturai Karta" ("Guardians of the City)
    still exist?
    
    Are they the people some refer to when they use the term
    "ultra-orthodox" (Wouk prefers "ultra-zealous")?
    
    Mark
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852.1They still are aroundTAVENG::MONTYLEGgers take it in their strideWed Dec 13 1989 10:0913
re: 852.0

>>    Although this was dealt with in a previous note (I think), and since
>>    I am in the process of reading, "This Is My G_d" by Herman Wouk,
>>    does the group known as "Neturai Karta" ("Guardians of the City)
>>    still exist?

Neturai Karta are alive and well and "happily" living in Jerusalem.

They are a segment of the population that ensures there is *never* a dull
moment in Jerusalem :-) :-).


852.2NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Dec 13 1989 11:337
>    Are they the people some refer to when they use the term
>    "ultra-orthodox" (Wouk prefers "ultra-zealous")?

"Ultra-orthodox" is more-or-less equivalent to what is known in Israel
as "haredim."  The Neturei Karta are just a small group among the "haredim."
They're most notable for their virulent anti-Zionism.  Many others classified
as "haredim" are not anti-Zionist.
852.3Aren't they citizens of Israel already?ABE::STARININT QRK INT ZBO KWed Dec 13 1989 14:0412
    Re .2:
    
    Thanks for that info.
    
    I presume then that the N.K. (hope nobody minds the abbreviation)
    are among those who believe that the State of Israel cannot be
    established until the Messiah comes?
    
    If that is true, then by living in Israel, isn't that a de facto
    acceptance of the existence of Israel?
    
    Mark
852.4NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Dec 13 1989 14:206
>    If that is true, then by living in Israel, isn't that a de facto
>    acceptance of the existence of Israel?

My impression is that as far as they're concerned, the rule of the State of
Israel is no more legitimate than that of the Turks and British who ruled
the Land of Israel before them.