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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
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835.0. "film:Crimes and Misdemeanors" by SUBWAY::HOFF () Thu Nov 23 1989 13:31

    Has anyone seen the new Woody Allen movie Crimes and Misdemeanors?
    It is one of his best. It is very thought provoking,addressing the
    question of religion and everyday morality. It is also funny.
    In the past I have liked some Woody Allen movies and some not
    at all.
    	Any opinions?
    
    Regards,
    		Phil
    
    ps. It centers around contemporary Jewish culture,as opposed to some
    of his more recent films centering on upper class WASP culture.
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835.1Very good filmLUCKEY::SEIDMANAaron SeidmanThu Nov 23 1989 20:0415
    I just saw it last night.  I think it is one of his best films.  Allen
    has always dealt with serious ideas underneath the humor, but in the
    past he has never really acknowledged the Jewishness of much of his
    philosophizing.  Indeed, to the extent that he had an "official" Jew
    (e.g. a rabbi) in a movie, that character was usually a grotesque
    caricature.  This time he has done a film on theodicy in an explicitly
    Jewish context, and included committed Jews who are taken seriously.

    Interestingly, Allen plays a rather unsympathetic character; usually he
    is a sweet schlimazel who has everyone rooting for him even when we
    know that he's going to fail.  (For those not familiar with the Yiddish
    term, Leo Rosten defined it nicely:  the schlemiel is the one who
    spills the soup, and the schlimazel is the one it gets spilled on.)

                                        Aaron
835.2Yes, but...VAXWRK::ZAITCHIKVAXworkers of the World Unite!Sun Nov 26 1989 17:2316
Well, I liked the film and enjoyed it... BUT I felt that ultimately
its conclusion is quite immoral, namely that the "villain" not only
"gets away with it" externally (in the sense that he doesn't get
caught) but also internally, in that his guilt feelings abate
and he is left quite happy. Since the murderer explicitly raised
this issue I thought that the movie would have him
chastised and racked by guilt by the end. 
Who knows? Maybe the film's ending is more true to life (alas...)

Anyway, I especially liked the line at the end that went something
like, "If there is no God then the criminal has to break down and
confess since he has to assume God's role"--  but since there is he
can go on his way happily and leave the final settling of scores to
some agency outside himself (God). That was an interesting idea at least!

-ZAITCH