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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

804.0. "Wedding Dilemma" by CURIE::LEVINE (Insert Witty Remark Here) Fri Oct 13 1989 14:32

    I'm having a disagreement with my father over my up-coming wedding
    ceremony, and would like to hear people's opinions (personal and/or
    religious) about it.

    My parents are divorced (father remarried), but I would like both my
    mother and father to walk me down the aisle.   My mother has no problem
    with this, but my father refuses.  He says that he does not want to
    walk down the aisle with his ex-wife when he is married to someone he
    loves.  My reply is that while I understand this, I'm not asking him to
    walk down the aisle with my mother, but with me.

    This is something that I have thought quite a bit about.  I know that I
    don't want to be accompanied by only one parent, and I would *really*
    prefer not to walk down alone!!  There's no real animosity between
    either my mother and father, or mother and step-mother, so that isn't
    a problem.  I would want my step-mother to walk down in a place of
    honor at the beginning of the procession (with my grandmother).

    I understand that it's an awkward situation, but feel that as this is
    to be my wedding, my wishes should be respected.  They have both been
    an equally important part of my life, and I want to share this
    significant event with both them.  

    My father is making nasty threats, such as refusing to help pay for the
    wedding if I insist on this.  I told him that I would enter a note
    here, and see what the general public had to say.  Any words of advice
    are greatly appreciated.


    Thanks very much,

    Sarah

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804.1this sounds only too familiarHECTOR::RICHARDSONFri Oct 13 1989 15:1042
    ARGHH!!  This one sounds only too familiar!...
    
    Paul's parents have been divorced for many years, but there is still
    (shall we say...) bad feelings between them.  This added a level of
    complexity to our wedding (7 years ago now).  Paul decided to do what
    his younger sister, who married a few months before we did, decided: he
    walked down the aisle with his mother and his only surviving
    grandparent (his mother's mother; she died about a month ago, sad to
    say, a much-beloved lady).  His father, who remarried many years ago,
    attended alone (this was a dirty trick on Paul's step-mother, who is a
    nice person, but war would have erupted if she had attended.  Sigh.). 
    I had to walk alone, with my parents one step behind me: the skirt of
    my gown is so full that I took up the whole aisle!  My folks walked
    right behind the train of it.  My mother really needed to lean on my
    father anyhow; she had just had back surgery.
    
    We also had to avoid having a "receiving line" (I think they are pretty
    silly anyhow) where Paul's parents would have had to stand near each
    other.  We did that by following the tradition of being "secluded" for
    seven minutes after the ceremony (what we were actually doing was
    gobbling up the tray of food the caterer brought in to where we were
    waiting out the prescribed time - we had both fasted before the
    ceremony, and were starving), so when we entered the reception,
    everyone was already inside, waiting for us to sit in our "thrones" so
    they could dance around us (we have some funny pictures of us being
    hoisted up into the air for this! - if you have met me, you know that I
    am just under 6' tall, several inches bigger than Paul, and there are
    some great shots of Paul's uncle gritting his teeth as he set his
    shoulder under the rungs of my chair - it all worked, though, the old
    fellow is stronger than he looks!).  Presto, no receiving line!
    
    You would think that people could set aside their differences for a few
    hours, especially for a family celebration, but they aren't always able
    to.  Life would be much more pleasant!  I hope you are able to work
    something out so that your folks can "save face" and you can still
    include them both in your wedding.  It is really sad business, I know.
    We had it somewhat easier than you do since we paid for everything
    ourselves; we only had to deal with people threatening to not attend if
    they didn't like how we had worked things out.
    
    /Charlotte
                                                 
804.2NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Fri Oct 13 1989 15:208
    The custom of parents walking down the aisle has been adopted from
    the non-Jewish world, so there's no halachic opinion on it as such.
    However, embarrassing someone is considered a grave sin.

    Perhaps you could get someone he respects (maybe a rabbi?) to talk
    to him.  I don't he'd be swayed by your saying, "I asked in BAGELS,
    and the vote was 4-2 that you should walk down the aisle with me
    and my mother."
804.3Mazal TovCADSE::FOXim lo achshav, ei matai?Fri Oct 13 1989 16:5139
(Gevalt!  I'm actually leaving readonly status to answer this!:-)

First of all, Mazal Tov to both you and your husband-to-be !

If I'm interpreting your question right, what you're explicitly asking us 
for is validation for your desire to have both your parents
accompany you down the aisle.  Well, I concur: for the reason you 
gave: he's not accompanying his ex-wife, he's accompanying *you*. 
Also, the tradition of *both* parents accompanying the bride and 
groom, while it may have come from non-Jews (and I'd like to see 
substantiation of that, please, .2!), is a LONG standing Jewish
tradition (at least among the Ashkenazim). Bucking tradition at a 
time like this is not calculated to create "Shalom BaBayit", and 
you could tell him that people will infer that he is devoid of 
support for Jewish culture and tradition, or that he disapproves 
of the marriage.

Also, how does your stepmother feel about this?  If she is 
willing, maybe you can enlist her help.

However, I heard another question here, and I'm going to answer 
that one too, gratis (no, don't thank me :-), namely: how do you
reconcile your wish to have your wedding *your* way with his attempted 
blackmail to refuse to help pay for it.  And the answer is, you
probably can't, unless you can persuade him.  (Actually, I don't 
even understand the threat -- how can you *force* him into 
walking down the aisle with you, regardless of who pays?)  

You are going to have a lot of problems if you let him continue with 
this kind of threat against anything he doesn't want to do.  
Perhaps you should downscale your wedding plans, so you don't 
need his financial support -- after all, if he's not going to 
give you emotional support when you most need it, why let him try 
to buy it?

Good luck with your plans; please let us know what happens.

Bobbi, who if she ever gets "hitched" again, will do it in a 
state of pilgashut (sp?) rather than nissuin.
804.4I made the mistake to give in...SUTRA::LEHKYI'm phlegmatic, and that's cool.Mon Oct 16 1989 12:1211
    Well, In my purely egoistic heart, my first feeling was:
    
    Ask your father to think about YOU for just one day, rather than HIM,
    for the rest of this year. If he loves you as much as you love him
    (witness your desire to have HIM guiding you), he should be accepting. 
    
    It's YOUR day, innit?
    
    Prioritisingly yours,
    
    Chris
804.5another configuration?SOJU::FRANCUSMets in '90Wed Oct 18 1989 11:567
    I have some friends who had the same problem and solved it by walking
    down the aisle like it is done in Israel.
    
    The groom walked down the aisles with both fathers, the bride with both
    mothers.