| Title: | BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest |
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| Moderator: | SMURF::FENSTER |
| Created: | Mon Feb 03 1986 |
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This will probably be recognized by most if not all of you as an
exercise in futility (not to mention why would a Gentile want to
bother) but I am currently engaged in a debate over in the CHRISTIAN
notesfile concerning Biblical prophecies.
Despite my Gentile upbringing, I have a pretty strong interest in
Judaism and things Jewish. I have come to question as a result of
listening and asking questions of my Jewish friends whether Jesus
of Nazareth really fulfilled the Messianic prophecy mentioned in
Malachi. My conclusion is that he didn't which puts me in line (I
believe) with traditional Jewish viewpoints on the subject (I think)
and definitely outside of mainstream Christianity.
The debate is centering on the view held by some Christians that
the Jews of the 1st century C.E. were looking for the fulfillment
of the "worldly leader" prophecies to free them from Roman oppression
and that they did not recognize the fulfillment of the "suffering
servant" prophecies which in the view of these Christians turned
out to be "true".
I don't see anything positive coming out of a battle between Christian
vs. Jewish polemics. What I'm really looking for is whether the
"suffering servant" view of the Messiah by Christians is purely
a product of Christian doctrine or whether it has some basis in
Jewish tradition as well.
Your assistance is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Mark
P.S. I don't mind playing the "point man" on this one.
| T.R | Title | User | Personal Name | Date | Lines |
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| 705.1 | Search this conference and you'll find it | DECSIM::GROSS | I need a short slogan that won't overflow the space available | Fri May 26 1989 11:00 | 8 |
The Jewish criteria for identifying the Messiah have already been enterred in this conference. I don't have time to search for the note right now, but someone with nimble fingers should be able to find it. Needless to say, Jesus of Nazerith falls far short of the above-mentioned criteria. Dave | |||||
| 705.2 | Check out note 379.* | CARTUN::FRYDMAN | wherever you go...you're there | Fri May 26 1989 11:25 | 1 |
| 705.3 | Bingo! | ABE::STARIN | A Travelling Man | Fri May 26 1989 11:34 | 12 |
Re .1 and .2:
Note 379 will more than suffice I think.
Thanks to all.
I'll let you know what develops from the debate.....should be
interesting.
Regards,
Mark
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| 705.4 | A Socialist Communist Right-wing Radical Plot | DECALP::SHRAGER | Nous avons chang� tout cel� | Tue Jun 20 1989 12:01 | 7 |
RE .0 There is a rather interesting (and short) book written by, I believe, Prof. Hugh Schonfield called "The Passover Plot". Before I get murdered for "...reading such trash"... it's worth reading even with a grain-of-salt. you might not (probably won't) agree with him, but he does bring out some interesting points for thought. | |||||
| 705.5 | A sequel to "T P P" | CURIE::FEINBERG | Don Feinberg | Wed Jun 21 1989 10:06 | 14 |
> RE .0 There is a rather interesting (and short) > book written by, I believe, Prof. Hugh Schonfield > called "The Passover Plot". Before I get murdered > for "...reading such trash"... it's worth reading > even with a grain-of-salt. you might not (probably > won't) agree with him, but he does bring out some > interesting points for thought. And also Schonfeld's sequel to "The Passover Plot", called "Those Incredible Christians". Both worth reading. don | |||||