Conference taveng::bagels

    Touche!!
    

Hi Greg,

	Maybe its the NEW moderates that you should be 
	focusing on.  The old ones, not you or your node
	seem to have an answer for.

	Happy Holidays to you too.

	-Sultan

    

    For that matter, I just learned that Israel has expelled all
    journalists from the OT's and have declared them to be under curfew.
    
    Very moderate, too, indeed.
    
    Let me put it that way: as much as I like criticism and sarcasm,
    and it is well justified in the case of Iran, for many reasons,
    as much I do dislike this criticism when it is single-eyed.

>   For that matter, I just learned that Israel has expelled all
>    journalists from the OT's and have declared them to be under curfew.
You is comparing THAT to the open invitation to murder? 
    
>    Very moderate, too, indeed.
I would like to point out that the British kept the press entirely in the dark
during the WHOLE of the Faklands campaign and all governments have kept the
press out when it suited their needs. What is NOT common, however Mr. Lehky, is
that a government officially incites to the  murder of innocent people. Furthermore, I
was especially amused, as I'm sure you must be, by the fact that Americans and
British citizens were singled out because "we" (not YOU Mr Lehky) seem to be
too "difficult" (read "dangerous") to kill. If the Western democracies had more 
b*lls, maybe them Good Ol' Moderates would not have dared to pick on these two
nationalities. I can also remind you that when terrorists kidnapped some
Russians in Beirut, the KGB identified and killed one of the relatives of the
terrorists, the result being that the Russian was released and they were not
bothered again TO THIS DATE! 
B*lls, Mr. Lehky, is what seems to be missing from a lot of democracies these
days.
    
>    Let me put it that way: as much as I like criticism and sarcasm,
>    and it is well justified in the case of Iran, for many reasons,
>    as much I do dislike this criticism when it is single-eyed.
Your principles are an ever guiding light to manking...

    What's this "Mr. Lehky" rubbish and the emotional explosion all about?
    I'd prefer to have a discussion taking place in a tone appropriate for
    adults, and, moreover, colleagues. Keep your balls for a real fight,
    and keep them out of a public notesfile.
    
    If your intent is to show me wrong, believe me, there's other ways
    to do it, and examples can be found in this notesfile.

In case you didn't get the my 1st paragraph:
Are you comparing the closure of the West Bank to inciting murder?

Para 2. The powers that be have closed off areas to the press whenever it suited their
purposes. Examples can be furnished on request

Other issues, concern the fact that if the world democracies would show a little more
b*lls, a lot of what we are seeing today in terms of terrorist attacks and threats 
such as those issued by the latest quack in Iran would not make headline news (his
obituary would perhaps).

No personal attack, Lehky...

    But of course, I'm NOT comparing. I love the ayatollah as much as
    a bullet in my head. What makes me so sorry is that one of the idols
    of my youth, i.e. Israel, is getting more and more dark spots on
    the white shirt.
    
    Chris

    From today's NY Times:
    
    "The Iranian Speaker of Parliament, Hojatolislam Rafsanjani, today
    withdrew his call for Palestinans to kill Westernser, saying his
    remarks had been distorted.
    
    "I really do not advise this and consider it a weak point," the
    Teheran radio quoted him as saying about his statement Friday 
    urging Palestinians to kill five Westerners for every Arab killed
    by Israeli troops.
    
    "...what he meant was that Israeli oppression of Palestinians could
    lead to violence."
     ---
    
    Seems he's got it turned around.  It is closer to the truth to say
    that Palestinian violence could lead to Israeli oppression.
    
    

    My understanding is that we have separate notes for separate subjects.
    The .0 was on a subject ... see above.  What does it have to do
    with Israel's "spots on the shirt"?  However if Mr. Lehky prefers
    to discuss both subjects here, in this note, I can legitimately
    start discussing killings of Beirut population by the Sirians. 
    Or the Soviet anti-Semitism.  Or something else.  I do not want
    to be single-sided either.
    
    Leo Simon

    In case it wasn't clear enough: I'm withdrawing my initial reply.
    
    Better?