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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

620.0. "Strange (Torah) Reading Habits" by VAXWRK::ZAITCHIK (VAXworkers of the World Unite!) Thu Jan 12 1989 19:31

A friend of mine attends a Conservative Temple where they read 1/3 of
the weekly Torah reading on Shabbat, thus completing the entire Torah
in 3 years rather than 1 year. OK, that's no news to me since in fact
the early Eretz Yisrael tradition (as opposed to the Babylonian
tradition accepted today) was to complete the Torah reading in 3
years. (Maybe they wanted to get home earlier...)

BUT, here's the kicker. My friend tells me they read the first
third of each "Babylonian sedra" during the 1st year, the
second 1/3 during the 2nd year, and the third 1/3 during the
3rd year! 

"Isn't that insane?" I asked her? "Yes," said she, "it's very
disconcerting... like skipping every other chapter in a really
good book with the intenton of going back at the end and reading
the chapters you skipped." "Not quite," quoth I. "More like skipping
2 out of every 3 chapters!"

QUESTION: Am I the last naive ex-yeshiva-bocher on earth (I just 
found out about this inventive "splicing" of the Shabbat Torah reading, 
or is this news to other Bagelites? Does anyone out there actually
PREFER doing it that way? The only explanation I can come up with 
for such a crazy way of reading the Torah is that these Conservative (?)
and/or Reform (?) congregations find it hard to sit through a long
reading, or can't get someone to prepare the reading without much
difficulty--- but want to keep in step with the rest of us as to
the "parsha of the week" (i.e. NOT go back to the original authentic
way of doing a triennial cycle).

Any comments/explanations?

-Zaitch
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620.1Not fond of the approach...GVRIEL::SCHOELLERWho's on first?Fri Jan 13 1989 09:3216
Shalom Zaitch,

I think you hit the nail right on the head.  I have been davening at
Temple Emanuel in Newton.  They do the same thing.  I generally don't
listen to the reading.  I sit and try to read the whole portion (translation
only, ivrit sheli lo tov  8^{).  Curiously the sermon on the portion
generally covers the whole thing.  You tell me what they think they're
doing.

They also daven the shacharit amidah in unison through Kedusha and then
have no repetition.  Anyone know the validity of this practice?  Being
a slow reader I don't like it (I am hard pressed to finish before the
Chazan finishes the Kaddish  8^{(.

L'hit,
Gavriel
620.2a "funny" loophole?CURIE::FEINBERGDon FeinbergFri Jan 13 1989 10:3348
	re: < Note 620.1 by GVRIEL::SCHOELLER "Who's on first?" >

>They also daven the shacharit amidah in unison through Kedusha and then
>have no repetition.  Anyone know the validity of this practice?  Being
>a slow reader I don't like it (I am hard pressed to finish before the
>Chazan finishes the Kaddish  8^{(.

	(For my 30 years in the Conservative movement, I used to think
	 that this was normal...)

	There are some references to this in Shulchan Aruch (and some
	other places). 	The context is this: suppose that you are delayed
	in gathering a minyan for Mincha, and shkiyah is fast approaching.
	You (assume you're the gabbai...) have a choice:  

		(a) "Forget" the minyan for today, and each person can 
		davven for themselves. That, of course has its own set 
		of problems (for another note).

		(b) If you believe that you'll indeed have the minyan
		before shkiyah, you wait. If you _don't_ get the minyan,
		go to (a), above.  If you _do_ get the minyan, then
		you davven Shmoneh Esrai as you described above, i. e.,
		sha"tz davvens aloud through the end of Kedushah, and
		everyone continues silently through end.  In this case,
		S. A. rules that you would also omit Tachanun, and davven
		right to Aleinu. 

		Properly managed, this allows you to finish Mincha
		Shmoneh Esrai before shkiyah.  (Within minutes, then,
		it's possible to say ma'ariv, instead of having a 20
		or so minute delay.  The delay is of course built in
		to the mincha schedule the gabbai establishes to avoid 
		exactly this problem!)

	Somehow, the Conservative movement seems to have picked up this as a
	"loophole". Why anyone would use it, say, especially on Shacharit
	shel Shabbat, is totally beyond me, unless either (a) they believed 
	that the congregation couldn't say it / wouldn't say it anyway [my 
	observation of the normal case], and/or (b) they really were in a 
	hurry to go shopping after shul.	

	My impression is that they would also say the mincha Shmoneh
	Esrai this way, except that, at the majority of Conservative 
	Temples, there's no Mincha (on any day)!


/don feinberg
620.3Translation neededDECSIM::GROSSWanted: inane comment to fill this slotFri Jan 13 1989 12:268
>	There are some references to this in Shulchan Aruch (and some
>	other places). 	The context is this: suppose that you are delayed
>	in gathering a minyan for Mincha, and shkiyah is fast approaching.

My ignorance is already well demonstrated so I'm not afraid to ask...
what is "shkiyah"?

Dave
620.4sorry...CURIE::FEINBERGDon FeinbergFri Jan 13 1989 13:1915
reply to < Note 620.3 by DECSIM::GROSS 


>>	There are some references to this in Shulchan Aruch (and some
>>	other places). 	The context is this: suppose that you are delayed
>>	in gathering a minyan for Mincha, and shkiyah is fast approaching.
>
>My ignorance is already well demonstrated so I'm not afraid to ask...
>what is "shkiyah"?
>
	It is the time of actual (ephemeris) sunset.  It's the last
	moment that you can legally begin Shmoneh Esray of Mincha,
	under any interpretation.

/don
620.5Quote from EncyclopediaTAVENG::ENGNRLEG has it now .... FCS &#039;92Thu Jan 19 1989 01:5052
    Re: .0
    
    Alan,
    
    Sorry for the delay in answering. Your original analysis was correct.

    There is quite a nice "easy to follow discussion" on the Triennial Cycle
    in the Encyclopedia Judaica (Vol 15 Pages 1246-1253 and 1386-1389). 

    To precis it down. There are two customs.

    o   The Babylonian custom that divided the Torah into 54 sections,
        which was read annually. 

    o   The Palestinian custom divided the Torah into 153, 155 or 167 
        sections, which was completed in three years. 

    In time the Babylonian custom superseded all other customs. 

    In direct answer to your question, I took the liberty of copying form
    the Encyclopedia: 

    "In traditional synagogues, the Pentateuch is read in one year. Reform
    Judaism (and some Conservative synagogues) has, however, reverted to
    the ancient Palestinian custom of a triennial cycle. It was done in
    response to the spiritual needs of congregants most of whom do not
    understand Hebrew, and consequently, cannot follow - with proper
    attention - the lengthy reading in Hebrew of the entire weekly sidrah.
    The weekly reading was shortened to approximately one third. In order
    that the portion should not be different from that read in traditional
    synagogues, the first part of each weekly sidrah is read in the first
    year, the second in the next and the third in the last year of the
    triennial cycle. Consequently, three different haftarot were provide to
    correspond to the central theme of the particular part of the portion
    read. (See Union Prayer Book, 1(1924), 339-406)" 

    Alan, do the communities that you mentioned, have Simchat Torah every
    year or once every three years ??? 

    What I did find interesting in the article was a mention of a modern
    commentator Buechler attempt to use the triennial cycle as an
    explanation of various traditions regarding event in the Torah (e.g.
    that Moses was died on the seventh day of Adar and that Sarah was
    "remembered" on the first day of Tishri). Buechler contends that since
    the portions describing these events were read once every three years
    at these times (assuming the cycle starts in Nissan), the tradition
    grew that the events themselves had taken place then. 
    
                                       
    							..... Monty

    P.S.  Regards to the family from us in sunny Ra'anana    
620.6Note on Buechler...VAXWRK::ZAITCHIKVAXworkers of the World Unite!Sat Jan 21 1989 19:2410
Thanks Monty!

Bueuhler's hypothesis was so interesting that I mentioned it to a 
friend who teaches Jewish History. He told me that some of Buechlers' 
work was so poorly received by some scholars that they nicknamed him
after his book "The Galilean Am-Haarets" (1906)!

From here in frozen Massachusetts... birkat chag tu b'shvat sameach!

-Zaitch