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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

535.0. ""Book of Life"" by LABC::FRIEDMAN () Fri Sep 02 1988 12:38

    Is it true that at Jewish New Year time God has a pair of scales
    and weighs the good you have done this past year against the
    bad you have done, and if the good comes out on top you are
    inscribed in a book of "life," implying that if you have been
    bad you could be set up to die during the coming year?  Is
    this just a Sunday school teacher's misconception of how things
    work?
    
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535.1don't confuse physical with metaphysicalDELNI::GOLDSTEINCailles en sarcophage: Duke's feastFri Sep 02 1988 17:273
    Sounds to me like a Sunday school teacher's view. 
    
    And not a Jewish Sunday school, either!
535.2Trial and Accounting.TAVIS::JUANWed Sep 14 1988 09:1233
    In Jewish Phylosophy, God is better defined and explained by what
    He is not than by what He is: He is not limited in time (i.e. didn't
    have a beginning and will not have an end), He is not limited in
    space or form (He is infinite, and permeates anything and everything).
    
    As such God does not need a physic Book of Accounting and a special
    day to check the accounts and make his decision on the individual
    "JP&R". 
    
    However, it is easier for us, mortals, to get a better idea by a
    representation or a sincretic analogy of divine matters, therefore,
    it would convey the message to the sinners that there is a Yom Hadin,
    a Day of Judgement, when all living and celestial creatures are
    presented to their trial "as a sheppard checks his flock, passing
    the sheep under his satff" and selecting "who will live and who
    will die..., who will be exalted and who will loose his position...,
    who will become rich and who will become poor...", and so, at least
    once a year, you have to prepare yourself to check on your yearly
    conduct and change it for better - "..and atonement, prayer and charity
    can change the negative side of the veredict..." (The quotes are
    my translation of some passages from some of the prayers for the
    High Hollydays).
    
    So: 1. Yes, it is used in stories and prayers the figure of the
    Lord checking in its accounting and judging all his Creation according
    to their acts but 2. This should be understood as only a rethorical
    figure since it is impossible to reduce the idea of God to a Creature
    using his weights, scales and accounting books to rule the world.
    
    Juan-Carlos
    
    I am not sure that our learned colleagues that are far more versed
    in Halacha than I am would endorse all my previous views.JCK
535.3A REAL PROBLEMVAXWRK::ZAITCHIKExistence is NOT a predicateMon Sep 19 1988 21:5713
>	Is this just a Sunday school teacher's misconception of how things
>	work?
 
I think that the image is (unfortunately) part of the tradition, and not
a mere "Sunday school teacher's" sick imagining. The question, however, is
how one relates to this image. Saying that it is to be understood
"metaphysically" doesn't really alleviate the unconfortableness one feels.
The question is deeper than that and has to do with a conception of God
as Judge and Executioner.    
Tomorrow night starts Yom Kippur. Maybe we will all have a chance to
reflect on these matters and continue this note after YK.
G'mar Hatima Tova to all bagel-noters!

535.4 TAV02::NITSANOne side will make you largerTue Sep 27 1988 14:356
    Strangely enough, Rosh Ha'Shana & Yom Kipur usually occur around
    the 2nd half of September, the time of the constellation of Libra
    (not that I believe in Astrology), and also when the night becomes
    equal in length to the day.

    /Nitsan (with some help of TAV02::SID)
535.5DECALP::SHRAGERNous avons chang� tout cel�Fri Nov 18 1988 11:328
	RE: 0

	Gee...I *sure* hope it ain't true; but if so,
	I *sure* hope G-d has a good sense of humour.

	If not, I'm in *real* trouble!

	(sorry, I just couldn't resist :-))