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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

486.0. "Pope" by SUV029::FRIEDMAN () Mon Jun 27 1988 14:23

    The Pope recently visited the site of an Austrian death camp and didn't
    mention that any Jews had died there.  Doesn't he like us?
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486.1he's no differentIOSG::LEVYQA BloodhoundMon Jun 27 1988 14:321
    The pope plays politics
486.2not in our present stateTAZRAT::CHERSONma�ana is good enough for meMon Jun 27 1988 15:575
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    The pope (this pope anyways) would like us better if we didn't exist.
    
    David
486.3Boker Tov Eliahu ...TAVENG::CHAIMThe Bagel NosherTue Jun 28 1988 02:296
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    "Boker Tov Eliahu" (Good Morning) !!!!
    
    Cb.
    
486.4Apparently, he did!ULYSSE::LEHKYI'm phlegmatic, and that's coolTue Jun 28 1988 05:0614
    Now, I haven't been there when he spoke in Mauthausen. Nevertheless,
    what I heard yesterday morning on the Austrian radio (shortwave band),
    was that he actually DID mention the Jews. He seems to have changed his
    mind in the last minute?
      
    I have no printed article to confirm this, though. The Austrian Press
    Agency and Austrian Radio are usually stating facts correctly. 

    Chris
    
    P.S.:	Dangerous deduction line, which you're following:

    		Doesn't mention Jews --> doesn't like Jews --> would prefer
    		Jews not to exist.
486.5those cowards wearing white clothesMDRLEG::RUBENCold, but fairTue Jun 28 1988 07:1720
    I live in a Catholic country that, together with Ireland and Poland,
    it is considered the most 'devote' country. The Pope has come here
    many times (two in the last five years).
    
    He never mentioned the Jews. He did mention South Africa and the
    blacks. Jews here are minority. Maybe that's why he didn't mention
    them. There are no blacks in my country: but he DID mention them.
    
    Press here quoted the whole speech in Austria. He didn't mention
    the Jews: he circled verbally using an unstranlatable paragraph.
    And I'm not so worried about mentioning Jews. I would have preferred
    him to mention Nazism looking direclty to 'waldheim's eyes...
    
    The Catholic Church here is clearly anti-Jew. Franco was clearly
    anti-Jew. He had it easier: there are no Jews here, a couple of
    them. But that doesn't qualify to avoid mentioning past atrocities.
    
    The Pope is even clever: when he went to Chile, he didn't mention
    clearly dictatorship and unjustice. I'm still wondering what could
    have happened if Ali Agca were a Jew...