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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

459.0. "A Great Jewish Introduction Service" by --UnknownUser-- () Tue Apr 26 1988 15:35

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459.1LABC::FRIEDMANWed May 04 1988 12:356
    Use extreme caution with services of this type.  You would be surprised
    at how many truly mentally ill people who should be in hospitals
    are members.  You can meet some real psychos who may screw up your life
    forever.
    
    
459.2GRECO::FRYDMANwherever you go...you're thereThu May 05 1988 09:5012
    The service described in .0 is run by two very bright women who
    personally screen each applicant.  They probably could recognize
    "truly mentally ill people who should be in hospitals".  
    
    I think you can tell what kind of "matches" you'll get by judging
    the interview which the matchers give to you.  Are they asking the
    right questions?  Are they understanding you?  etc.
    
    I feel one of the best ways to meet people is through mutual friends--
    who know you and your needs.  That's how my wife and I met.
    
    Av
459.3Mentally ill doesn't always mean out of controlATSE::KASPERAvoid Colloquial StuffThu May 12 1988 19:248
>  They probably could recognize "truly mentally ill people who
>  should be in hospitals". 

    Don't kid yourself.  I have a friend who was married to a certifiable
    psychopath, who did some really evil things to her.  All their friends
    thought she was crazy to divorce him, he was such a sweetie.

459.4SUV029::FRIEDMANTue Jun 28 1988 12:3920
                                                       
    There ARE mentally ill out there.  We are normally sheltered from
    having to encounter such people.  They are CRAZY.  Not silly
    crazy, or humorous crazy, or pathetic crazy, but dangerous
    crazy.  They don't have jobs or other daily obligations.  They have
    infinite patience.  Will that infinite patience you may be hounded to
    the ends of the earth.  At best they will cause great embarassment to
    you and your family, and at worst will pose a physical danger.
                                     
    You will be so lonely, so desperate to call upon such a service
    that you may not even realize that some of the people you might
    be introduced to are stark raving mad, and that the little bit of
    attention and affection that you may furnish them is enough to
    set them off harassing you and haunting and hounding and stalking
    you years and years after you drop them.
    
    Messing with demented people will spin you down a dark abyss, a
    utter hell.  
    
    Meet people through friends and through the temple.
459.5I'm sorry, folksCSCMA::GILDERWed Jul 27 1988 13:1022
    Gee, Folks, I didn't mean to start a war on "Mentally Ill".  I was
    just trying to help.  
    
    I've been a nice Jewish Girl all my life.  Up until a couple of
    years ago I thought I would be a career woman. Now I feel cheated
    especially when other people bring in their babies for a couple
    of hours to meet the gang at work.  In the past 2 days I've held
    two newborns to other DEC personnel.  Each time I given the baby
    back to "Mommy", my heart cracks.  How nice it would be if some
    day I could be one of those.  Not all DEC personnel want to be
    with other DEC personnel.  
    
    I just happened to stumble on something worthwhile.  Yes, I have
    been burned too by "introduction services" but I'm sure that if
    meeting other SJ's is important to you, you would find Orthodox
    Unions to be a very credible and reliable way to try.
    
    Sometimes, a friend just doesn't know another friend...
    
    Again, I'm sorry if I caused any heartache.
    
    Adriane
459.6note to moderatorCSCMA::GILDERMon Aug 01 1988 13:419
    Moderator, please delete replies since I've taken out my original
    comment.  
    
    I really didn't mean to start a major discussion on how many dating
    services hurt people.  I merely wanted to offer an alternative.
    
    Thanks.
    
    Adriane
459.7DisappointedIAGO::SCHOELLERDick (Gavriel ben Avraham) SchoellerMon Aug 01 1988 14:0225
>    Moderator, please delete replies since I've taken out my original
>    comment.  

>    I really didn't mean to start a major discussion on how many dating
>    services hurt people.  I merely wanted to offer an alternative.

    SET MODERATOR

    If the authors of the replies wish to delete their comments they
    can do so.  I will not delete for them since this conversation is
    not a violation of policy.

    SET NOMODERATOR

    I think that information in the base note is worth having.  I also
    think that the replies about meeting dangerous people through
    dating services also applies to meeting people through friends or
    at shul (or any other approach).

    A previous reply mentioned a situation in which close friends all
    thought that someone was a sweet guy when he was really dangerous.
    Those same people would probably have introduced him to their
    friends to date.  How much better is that than a dating service?

    Gavriel
459.8Caring and awareness are the keysATSE::KASPERLet's organize an anarchyThu Sep 01 1988 18:0317
 > Those same people would probably have introduced him to their
 > friends to date.  How much better is that than a dating service?

    None at all, really.  My friend was introduced to her ex by a friend.
    It was not my intention to imply that dating services are a bad idea;
    the one mentioned in .0, run by 2 elderly Jewish ladies, sounds like 
    a good idea.  I just have a red flag that goes up when people say that
    they could tell a psychopath if they met one.

    What can you do about it?  Living in constant fear is pretty pointless;
    I do think it's important to be aware of signals from those you care
    about that something is wrong.  What got that friend of mine out of her
    abusive situation was the understanding and support of someone who saw
    what was going on, and convinced her that she deserved better.

    Beverly