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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

444.0. " Yddish" by TAVIS::JUAN () Wed Mar 30 1988 09:55

   While talking with a friend in Marlboro, we begun talking
   Yddish and reminiscing how nice Yddish was and is. We dropped 
   the idea that perhaps we should find a way to communicate in
   Yddish.

   As you may know, Yddish was born from the Hoch Deutsch dialects
   during the Middle Ages, integrating into the basic German words
   an almost anglo sintax and Hebrew words, coloured with the 
   Ashkenazi prononciation. Later Yddish adopted slavic and English
   terms. The first documents in Yddish date from the 10th century
   CE, and use a very old orthography. By the way, Yddish is written 
   with Hebrew letters, although a few letters may have a different
   prononciation.

   Since not everybody has a Hebrew character generator in his terminal
   I suggested to my friend we could try to write Yddish by transli-
   teration, i.e.: by sustitution of Hebrew letters by Latin letters.
   I can say that the experiment of 2 mails worked satisfactorily 
   enough, so I am sharing my suggestions with you:

   1. Yddish is written so that each character has always an unique
      sound and prononciation. I sugested to keep this while using
      Latin characters.
   2. Yddish has 5 vowels and 3 diptongues:
      A: as in Santa Clara
      E: as in elm
      I: as in India
      O: as in old
      U: as the oo in moose
      AI: as in eye
      EI: as the ai group in Maine
      OI: as in "oy vey"
      (The I sound at the end of the word looks nicer if spelled Y)
   3. Other letters would have the same sound as in standard English
      but for:
      CH: as the J in San Jose or in the German Bach
      TS: as a single group, replacing the Hebrew TSadi.

   Please try it!

   Juan-Carlos Kiel
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444.1Un zol vi vait...TAVIS::JUANWed Mar 30 1988 09:5736
     Un zol vi vait
                     Avrohom Reizn (Abraham Reisen, though not 100%
                                    sure)
     
     Un zol vi vait noch zain di tsait
     fun libe un fun sholem,
     doch kumen vet, tsi fri ysi shpet,
     di tsait es iz kain cholem.

     Es ekt di nacht, di velt dervacht
     ful hofenung, lust un shtrebn;
     ich her in luft a shtime ruft
     tsu mut un freid un lebn!

     Ich her dos lid fun libe, frid
     di mechtike gezangen
     un yeder ton fun lid zogt on:
     Di zun is oifgegangen!...

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     A free translation:

     And as long as it may take for the time 
     of love and peace,
     it will come, earlier or later,
     the time is not a dream.

     The night ends, the world is awakening
     full of hope, passion and aspirations;
     I hear in the air a voice calling
     for strenght and happiness and life!

     I hear the song of love, peace,
     the powerfull songs,
     and each sound of the song proclaims:
     The sun has risen! 
444.2CorrectionTAVIS::JUANWed Mar 30 1988 10:018
    RE: .1
    
    Please correct 3rd line:
    
    ...doch kumen vet, tsi fri, tsi shpet,...
    
    
    JCK
444.3A Peisach lidele...TAVIS::JUANWed Mar 30 1988 10:0430
   S'kumt der liber Peisach,
   shpiln mir in nis,
   S'iz di matse trukn
   un der vain iz zis.

   Naie shich un kleider 
   hot men unz gemacht.
   Praven mir dem Seider
   Peisach oif der Nacht.

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   This is a Pesach song from my Kindergarten:

   The beloved Pesach comes,
   we play with nuts,
   the Matsoh is dry
   and the wine is sweet.

   New shoes and clothes
   we got.
   We celebrate the Seder
   in Pesach eve.
   
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    A gut yomtef un a freilechn Peisach far aich ale!
    HappyPassover to all of you!
    
    JCK