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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

440.0. "Let's Hear It for Our Moderator!" by TELCOM::ROSENBERG (Dick Rosenberg VRO5-2/C7) Wed Mar 23 1988 12:42

    A harzige mazel tov to our moderator for giving us back our (hopefully
    safe) BAGELS.
    
    Dick Rosenberg
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440.1Save this ConferenceSAGE::PERLMANEli B. PerlmanWed Mar 23 1988 12:5010
    I second that emotion. Does anyone know what happened that the file
    was erased like that? Was it done on purpose? Is there a flaw in
    the product that allows that to happen by accident? How can we learn
    from this so that it does not happen again. This conference is
    necessary for my sanity!
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Eli
440.2self-explanatoryFSLENG::CHERSONLet me say this about thatWed Mar 23 1988 12:583
    Kol Hakavod!
    
    David
440.3Give me a break!AKOV68::SHEPROGood enough for Gov't WorkThu Mar 24 1988 08:0630
    >>>Was it done on purpose? 
    
    Give operations the benifit of the doubt and consider it an accident.
    I don't work at that site but I've blown files away before and by
    accident.  BTW, now I support the corporate payroll system, from
    a systems point of view.
    
    
    >>>Is there a flaw in the product that allows that to happen by
    accident? 
    
    Almost impossible!  There are over 500 notes conferences in the
    public directory and many many more that are private within the
    company.  If there were problems of this magnitude, we would have
    known about it along time ago.
    
    I take my hat off to the engineers who wrote this software (NOTES,
    Decnet, and VMS).  Except for uComputer programs that allow only one
    user at a time, and many hacks, I believe VaxNotes is the only product
    of it's kind that, in conjunction with Decnet and VMS, allow such
    communications to take place. 
    
    Also, most companies, large and small would not allow a conference
    of this kind to happen on 'Company Equipment and Time'.
    
    >>>How can we learn from this so that it does not happen again. 
    
    What do you think???
    
    
440.4RAWFSH::MAHLERIt's the bomb that will bring us together!Thu Mar 24 1988 14:4440
    
    
    	I'm not sure I understand your point.  The questions asked
    	in reply .2 are the exact ones I'm still asking myself.  
    
    	I know that BAGELS was not backed up on HUMAN [Nor were any
    	other notesfiles on that system] daily which is why there was
    	not recent backup available.  
    	
    	People here have reason to be suspicious since this is not
    	the first time [it's the third in fact] that BAGELS has
    	mysteriously been hacked or suddenly unavailable on systems
    	where other notesfiles were in existence on the same device
    	directory and where not affected.
    
    	Neither operations or the system manager on HUMAN have had
    	fingers pointed at them.  Speculation is just that but I'm 
    	fairly certain that if this was an accident that a lesson
    	[daily backups] has been learned.  If it was malicious, then
    	these questions only help to bring to light any possible flaws
    	that will not allow it to happen again.
    
    	NOTE is not a perfect software product [being the first of it's
    	kind it DEFINITELY is not] so we can't say FOR SURE that it's
    	not possible to delete a notesfile through the NOTES$SERVER
    	[highly improbable, sure, but not impossible].
    
    	Overall, BAGELS is alive and well on RAWFSH:: [lox maybe?].
    	{RAWFSH:: is my private workstation for Workstation
    	Security/SECURPACK Development.  BAGELS will be backed up
    	daily to ensure that we are never 24 hrs behind.  In addition,
    	RAWFSH:: may have to come down from time to time for testing
    	so I ask that you please be patient}.
    
    	Health and Happiness,
    
    	Michael