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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

428.0. "Planning ahead for Sukkot" by CADSYS::RICHARDSON () Fri Jan 22 1988 14:01

    Every year Sukkot rolls around, and Paul and I look at each other
    say say "Weren't we talking last year about how we should finally
    build OUR OWN sukkah for next year?"  of course, if you think of
    this when you are breaking your Yom Kippur fast, it is too late
    to construct anything much!  This year, we are serious!  We want
    to construct one during the summer out of pieces that will break
    down small enough to be stored someplace without taking up a huge
    amount of space, maybe in the back of the garage.  We could set
    this thing up on the deck right outside the kitchen door, which
    would make getting an overhead light wired up easy 9there's an outdoor
    outlet right there) as well as allow us to fasten the thing to the
    house and to the railing of the deck - I know they are not supposed
    to be permanent, but we live on top of a windy hill, and I wouldn't
    be real likely to make it through the whole holiday actually eating
    in the sukkah if I had to retrieve escaped pieces of it from the
    neighbors' yards and put it back together before each meal!
    
    We are currently talking about making frames for the walls of either
    PVC pipe pieces (they screw together) or maybe treated lumber (which
    could bolt together), and getting a bunch of sail-type canvas pieces
    and putting eyelets around the edges so the pieces could be laced
    to the frame - the canvas could be rolled up when the sukkah is
    put away without taking up loads of space.  Not sure what to do
    for the top covering since we do not have big trees or bushes we
    could cut limbs from - my (very observant, Orthodox) in-laws use
    bamboo poles for the top of their plywood-sheet sukkah - those came
    from the inside of rolls of carpetting; someone they know sells
    carpet wholesale - I doubt if I can tap into this source of freebie
    bamboo, though.  Also, the canvas sides would make the sukkah much
    more likely, maybe, to end up somewhere down the street, since they
    would catch the wind (at least it would be more comfortable inside
    that way - I don't think we have room to store a complex plywood
    structure!) - it would have to be securely fastened to the deck
    railing.  
    
    Anyone have any brilliant ideas?  How many of you actually build
    your own sukkah?  And how many of you do what we do and just take
    a picnic or two to the community sukkah next to the schul?
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428.1Here's what I use.GRECO::FRYDMANwherever you go...you're thereMon Jan 25 1988 11:0012
    We use a pre-fab  metal pole and canvas sukkah.  I can put it up
    myself using a small Allen wrench in 1/2 an hour; however, my children
    want to help so it takes a bit longer.  I have the largest size
    (10x14) and the canvas walls fit into a large trash bag for the
    year.  I store the bamboo in my garage.  
    
    They are now making bamboo shade-like coverings for the top which
    roll up like the ones you can get in Pier 1.
    
    Come by next year... 
    
    Av
428.2EINSTN::FEINBERGDon FeinbergMon Jan 25 1988 12:4128
re:  .0

	We built ours from 2x4's and aspenite (a kind of pressed wood).

	The (three) walls detach from one another; they are held together
	with "hooks and eyes" (of industrial strength hardware;
	the metal is 1/4" thick!).

	The whole thing stands on the driveway, attached to the garage.

	I set up an eruv between the house and the Sukkah/garage combination
	so we can carry/serve in the sukkah on the chag. Some people beat
	this problem by erecting the sukkah abutting a door to their
	house, or a window of the house...

	We do use the "roll-up" bamboo roll "s'chach". Careful! There are some
	halachic problems there!  If the bamboo roll was not made
	specifically l'shaim hachag, it's pasul for the chag (at least
	this is the majority opinion).  It's really convenient, but
	you should check if you're going to use such.

	I have a center light, which is waterproof, hooked to my
	Shabbat computer light-conrol system, so on the chag we get
	light in the Sukkah when we need it!

	You're invited!

/don feinberg
428.3Keep 'em coming...CADSYS::RICHARDSONMon Jan 25 1988 15:019
    The canvas sukkah sounds much more like something we would actually
    manage to be able to store at our house - the wood one is like what
    my brother-in-law's family uses, but I sure don't know where they
    keep it the rest of the year.  We will put the sukkah right outside
    the kitchen door, both so that we don't have to carry things to
    it and so that we can use part of the house as one wall so the thing
    has less chance of blowing over - we live on top of a windy hill.
    
    Keep those suggestions coming!!
428.4Vent the canvas!!!!IAGO::SCHOELLERDick (Gavriel ben Avraham) SchoellerMon Jan 25 1988 17:3940
    If you are preparing the canvas yourself, you will want to vent it.
    This means to make semi-circular cuts in it at regular intervals.
    These will let some air through and reduce the strain on the system.
    They should be cut so that there are flaps over the opening (see below).

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    I have seen sukkot with the "roof" made of prefab lattice (from
    Grossman's?) and fir cuttings.

    Gavriel
428.5hardly for the wind, I think...CURIE::FEINBERGDon FeinbergMon Jan 25 1988 22:0424
reply to: < Note 428.4 by IAGO::SCHOELLER "Dick (Gavriel ben Avraham) Schoeller" >
>                            -< Vent the canvas!!!! >-

>    If you are preparing the canvas yourself, you will want to vent it.



	No, Dick, I think you have it completely wrong.

	(the reason for the vents, that is).

	The reason REALLY is ...


	To let more bees in faster 


		:-)  :-)


	(OK, I know you people in TAV-land don't understand, but
	 think about it...)

/don feinberg
428.6and a small amount of egg...CURIE::FEINBERGDon FeinbergTue Jan 26 1988 09:1119
	OOOPS!

	In .2, I said ...

>	I set up an eruv between the house and the Sukkah/garage combination
>	so we can carry/serve in the sukkah on the chag. Some people beat
>	this problem by erecting the sukkah abutting a door to their
>	house, or a window of the house...

	Well -- I know what I was thinking, but it was (properly)
	pointed out to me that what I was thinking was not what I typed!!!

	You can, of course carry l'shaym hachag, so on the chag you can
	carry food, etc., to/from the Sukkah without benefit of the
	eruv.  The eruv is for _Shabbat_ of the chag!

	Sorry if there was any misunderstanding...

/don feinberg
428.7Another Plan from Plan LandCURIE::GOLDJack E. Gold, MRO3Wed Jan 27 1988 18:1227
    Our Sukkah was built from a plan we got at a Sukkah building workshop
    we attended at our synagogue a few years back.  It is very easy
    to build, and total material cost was under $50.  It is constructed
    using 2x3 or 2x4 lumber for the four corner uprights.  These are
    held in place by putting them in three stacked up cinder blocks
    at each corner.
    
     Cross pieces are then placed between the four uprights at the top,
    and half way up each, and are held together with nuts and bolts
    (for easy assembly/disassembly).  The sides consist of heavy duty
    8x10 tarps (the blue variety available at hardware and paint stores for
    about $5-6 each).  These are furnished with eyelets. We tie the
    tarps to the top cross pieces.  We leave the front open for a door.
    
     For the roof, we bought some lattice material used for porches and
    decks (the single most expensive part).  We throw this on the roof,
    and then throw branches, and maybe some corn stalks over it.
    
    This design is extremely simple to build.  We put it up every year
    in only a few hours.  It stores easily in our (very messy and
    overcrowded) garage.  Even the kids could put this up (if they were
    tall enough).
    
    For anyone who is interested, I am sure I can dig up the plans.
     Send me mail, and I'll forward a copy of the plans.
    
    Jack
428.8Only 6 weeks to goDECSIM::GROSSI brake for A.K.sFri Aug 19 1988 18:339
Well, it's summer and I just found this note. I thought I'd do those
procrastinators who read Bagels a service by drawing attention here while
there is _still_ time to assemble the parts for a Sukka.

What about me? Oh yeah! I got the 2x4s last winter. If I remember to go out
and purchase the nuts, bolts, and plastic parts it will be the first sukka
in my family ever.

Dave
428.9Not much time leftCURIE::GOLDJack E. Gold, MRO3Wed Sep 14 1988 17:1911
    Tradition has it that you are to start building the Succah as soon
    as Yom Kippur has ended. That doesn't give you much time!
    
    I still have some plans for a simple Succah available, if anyone
    would like a copy. Send me some e-mail, and I'll forward it  to
    you.
    
    Of course, you're all welcome to come over and use ours, but if
    everyone shows up, it might be a bit crowded!

    Jack
428.10Yes, we ARE building a sukkah this yearCADSYS::RICHARDSONThu Sep 15 1988 11:3322
    A bunch of lumber and stuff for our new sukkah is supposed to be
    delivered sometime today (you can't put 8' pieces in Paul's Toyota...),
    so it looks like we really WILL have a sukkah this year!  We will
    probably actually start assembling it on Sunday (given decent weather);
    I'm not usually up for much more than eating some aspirin and going
    to bed after Yom Kippur is finally over - certainly not carpentry
    work, especially in the dark.  I think the only real requirement
    is that you can't FINISH building the thing until after Yom Kippur
    is over, since some people leave most of it up all year.  It will
    go on the deck just outside the kitchen door, and will be big enough
    to enclose the picnic table, so it should be relatively cosy.  We
    got a waterproof floodlight mount that will be attached to the center
    support for the roof, so it should be reasonably well lit even if
    it is too wet out to move a lamp out there.  If you're in the
    neighborhood of HLO during the holiday, you are welcome to come
    and eat in the sukkah, even if we're not around (send mail for
    directions).
    
    Thanks, Jack, for sending the plans several months ago - they made
    a good starting point.
    
    /Charlotte