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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

398.0. "Looking for HIAS..." by TAVENG::CHAIM (Le'Chaim) Thu Dec 03 1987 02:42

    One of my co_workers is looking for a way of being able to make
    contact with an organization named HIAS (sp?). This organization helps
    people who wish to emigrate from "behind the iron curtain" countries.
    
    If anyone has any information regarding this organization (address,
    phone number, personal contacts) please either post a reply or send
    mail directly to Zvi Kamer at TAVENG::ZVI.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Cb.
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398.1I regret the HIAS organizationTAVMTS::JUANMon Dec 07 1987 10:0121
    "... HIAS (sp?). This organization helps people who wish to emmigrate
    from 'behind the iron curtain' ..."
    
    HIAS is an organization that diverts Jews that left the USSR from
    travelling to Israel and helps them to settle in the US.
    
    I believe that if someone stated that he is leaving the USSR for
    Israel and as soon as he crosses the border turns to the U.S., by
    the same act is hurting the possibilities of his fellow Jews to
    exit the USSR. The HIAS organization may give a point solution,
    but, I believe, it definitely works against the complete solution
    which is helping Jews as a whole leave Russia.
    
    As such I regret any contacts with HIAS.
    
    Yours, 
    
    Juan-Carlos Kiel
    
    Herzliya, Israel
    
398.2you've touched a nerve I'm sureFSLENG::CHERSONand what's your raison d'etre?!Mon Dec 07 1987 12:5328
    Juan,
    
    I think before you receive any other replies you should be warned
    that you may have hit a nerve with some American Jews.
    
    American Jewish leaders (that's a misnomer!) are lobbying against
    the Israeli plan to route immigrants through Romania instead of
    Vienna.  They say that this would interfere with the freedom of
    choice of Soviet Jews.  However is it a freedom to abuse the efforts
    that the Jewish Agency and Israel has made on their behalf?
    
    Freedom of choice is a totally incorrect argument for Israel is
    a free country.  One may leave it at will, I have and many others
    unfortunately have also.
    
    It's a tough issue to talk about here because obviously you and
    I are not living under the conditions that our chevrei are in the
    U.S.S.R.  But what it looks like to me is that you have a small
    percentage of Soviet Jews who are willing to put up with years of
    imprisonment, deprivation, and even torture for the right of aliyah,
    while on the other hand there are people who openly abuse the visa
    to Israel to immigrate to the West.
    
    To be fair Soviet Jewry has been exposed to many falsehoods and
    misinformation regarding Israel.  So their impression is a conditioned
    one.
    
    David
398.3Info only please...TAVENG::CHAIMLe'ChaimTue Dec 08 1987 05:285
    He guys, no one asked for opinions or controversy here. There are
    other notes and conferences for this. All I asked for is a little
    bit of info.
    
    Cb.
398.4Opinions? Who's offering opinions?CSCMA::SEIDMANAaron SeidmanTue Dec 08 1987 11:0016
>>re: .3     He[y] guys, no one asked for opinions or controversy here.

	Since when do we have to be asked?  :^)

re .1, .2

	The first objective is to get them out.  I have no problem
	with encouraging Soviet Jews to settle in Israel, but that
	is a secondary problem.  If someone can show me that routing
	them through Romania will get more out, then I'd advocate
	using Romanian transit facilities.  Frankly, I don't think
	it makes any difference.  From what I know of Soviet politics,
	I think it depends more on internal Soviet policies rather
	than external destinations.

					Aaron
398.5FORCE::PISAREVSKAYATue Dec 08 1987 11:584
    
    
    HIAS Headquarters in New York - 
          200 Park Ave. South  New York, NY 10003