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| 383.1 | BROOKLINE | AKOV75::SHEPRO | Good enough for Gov't Work | Wed Oct 07 1987 08:34 | 22 |
| So you're landing in Boston on Erav-Shabbot. Erav-anything in Boston
can be a nightmare if you have to travel through town. I've heard
of a Koshor place on Milk St in the Financial district, but I stand
to be corrected. (Is it open after business hours? Is any Koshor
place open on Erav_Shabbot?)
You're best bet is, or course,
BROOKLINE
but I still ask, "What's Koshor and open between Erav Shabbot and
Sunday morn?
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| 383.2 | We're in GOLUS here, remember. | GRECO::FRYDMAN | | Wed Oct 07 1987 08:43 | 8 |
| You may have another problem....
Erev Shabbat for you will be Simchat Torah for us. All KOSHER
restaurants will be closed for the hag.
My home will be full of sleep over guests, but if you need a place
in Brookline for shabbat dinner, lunch, etc., please contact me.
---Av
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| 383.3 | Your choices are limited | IAGO::SCHOELLER | Caught in an information firestorm | Wed Oct 07 1987 12:23 | 38 |
| > I'll be landing in Boston on "EREV SHABAT" 16th this month at 17:15.
> I will not have time before SHABAT to look for KOSHER place.
> Can any one direct me where is the best place to stay and have KOSHER
> food and I can there before the SHABAT.
Shlomo,
I hate to say this but you may be in pretty deep sneakers. First of all
if I know Logan Airport you won't be on the ground before Shabbat let
alone out of the airport or at your place of lodging.
Second, there are no "kosher hotels" in Boston and as Av mentioned
because of the Chag the restaraunts will be closed all day that Friday.
It has occured to me that some of the hotels including the Westin
advertise a kosher kitchen for functions and may be able to provide
kosher room service meals.
The choice which gives you the most leeway is to try change your
travel arrangement to arrive earlier. This may not be possible but it
is worth mentioning.
If you can get in early or if you are not strictly shomer Shabbat,
you should arrange to stay in Brookline. The only motel/hotel that
comes to mind is the Holiday Inn on Beacon Street. From there you
can take advantage of Av's invitation (or other's you might get).
From there you also have a wide choice of Shuls within walking distance.
After Shabbat you will have available to you couple of kosher restaraunts
in that immediate vicinity (also several different kosher markets).
There is also a kosher restaurant downtown, The Milk Street Cafe,
mentioned in .1.
If you won't drive or ride during Shabbat and you arrive late then you
will have to stay at one of the airport hotels and try to arrange for
kosher meals as above. These will not put you within easy reach of any
Jewish services (shuls, markets, restaurants, etc.)
Good Luck
Gavriel
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| 383.4 | Shabbat Accommodations | FDCV03::CUSNER | | Wed Oct 07 1987 13:30 | 32 |
| If you are coming in at that time you may not have enough time before
shabbat to get to Brookline. The Airport is near Chelsea and Everett
where you will find several shuls.
You should try to change your travel plans since you will be coming
into Boston about 30 minutes before Shabbat, getting out of the
airport and traveling to Everett or Chelsea at that time will be almost
impossible and you would not be able to get to Brookline at all.
Rabbi Polen of the Everett temple would probably be able to provide
housing and food for shabbat. But since you are coming to Boston
on our Simchas Torah, arrangements will have to be made prior to
your arrival.
I would be glad to speak with Rabbi Polen to find out about these
arrangements. Please let me know by Monday, October 12, so that
I will have enough time prior to your arrival to respond if you
would like me to pursue this matter.
If you can get in touch with Rabbi Gedalia Fleer in Yerusalyim or
the Sofir Shel Basel in Ramot prior Sunday evening you might be
able to make contact with Martin Farren who will be returning to
Boston on Monday. He may be able to help you.
Hag Someach.
Burt Cusner
DTN: 223-3404
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| 383.5 | some more thoughts on this problem: | ULTRA::OFSEVIT | | Thu Oct 08 1987 11:44 | 42 |
| Unfortunately, Friday afternoon, which is the time you are planning
to arrive, is the worst time to fly into Logan.
You can expect air traffic delays (an hour would not be
unrealistic). Then you have to pass through U.S. Customs, which may
delay you further.
Once you've cleared Customs, you'll find the airport completely choked
with traffic. It can take over an hour to get from Logan to downtown
Boston, a distance of only 2 miles (3km), at that time, by car or
taxi. Public transportation is also slow, since you would have
to take a bus to the subway station.
The bottom line is, if your flight is scheduled to arrive at
17:15, you might not reach your destination (even if it's close)
until 20:00 or later. That would be well after the beginning of
Shabbat.
As suggested in a previous reply, you can stay at the Hilton Hotel
at Logan Airport (that's its official name) until after Shabbat, and
you should be able to arrange with Hilton for kosher meals there.
Since it's a Hilton hotel, you should be able to make arrangements
before you leave Israel. You can walk from the international terminal
to the hotel; it's about 1/2 mile (less than 1 km).
From the hotel to the nearest shul in Chelsea would be about
2 miles, or less than an hour's walk. It's not close, but it's
possible. The hotel should have addresses and street maps.
Overall, your best bet would be to either arrive earlier, before
the end of Hol Hamoed Sukkot (i.e., by 14:00 on Wednesday, October
14), in order to connect with the large Jewish community in Brookline
or Newton. (The previous replies have indicated that they can put you
in touch with "home hospitality.") The alternative would be to wait
until after Shabbat and fly on Sunday, October 18. Sunday is not a
work day in the U.S., so if you are coming on business you will not
miss anything.
Good luck! If you need any further information on getting around
in Boston, keep asking.
David
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| 383.6 | Simple Answer | LABC::FRIEDMAN | | Thu Oct 08 1987 11:56 | 2 |
| Take a salami or similar product with you from Israel and eat it
that evening.
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| 383.7 | Beware of bringing food through US Customs | CADSYS::RICHARDSON | | Thu Oct 08 1987 13:51 | 10 |
| I dunno about bringing in food; it might get confiscated in Customs
(especially if he brings in fruits or vegetables too). I think the
Sheraton is probably the best bet, if they have a deal with a kosher
caterer so he will have food available for Shabbat. He (or his
manager) managed to pick a very difficult arrival time!
Of course, he can arrange kosher food for plane trip. US airlines
need 24 hours notice to do so, but it may be different on international
flights. I recall that flying home to Boston from Israel, the flight
crew asked everyone if we preferred regular or kosher food, a first!
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| 383.8 | For Him, Also?? | FDCV03::ROSS | | Thu Oct 08 1987 15:08 | 7 |
| RE: .2
> Erev Shabbat for you will be Simchat Torah for us.
Why isn't it Simchat Torah for him, also?
Alan
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| 383.9 | Blame it on the Samaritans | IAGO::SCHOELLER | Caught in an information firestorm | Thu Oct 08 1987 16:03 | 29 |
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> Why isn't it Simchat Torah for him, also?
Alan,
All two day holidays in the diaspora are one day holidays in Israel.
The law on this relates back to the old method of conveying information
about the coming of the new moon.
At one time the news was spread by lighting signal fires, one after
the other on hill tops outward from Jerusalem. Those nasty Samaritans
would try to confuse the issue by lighting signal fires on the wrong
day 8^{( . Therefore, the custom arose to start the holiday at the time
it might begin and go for two days. That way you would be observing the
holiday when it happened (plus a little extra 8^{) ). Inside Israel
there wasn't a problem you were close enough to have accurate information.
Today with calculated calendars this is an anachronism. We are not
likely to screw up because of bad communication from Jerusalem. However,
once you've got such a law it is not so easy to get rid of. The Reform,
who don't keep the laws, only observe one day. But for the Conservative
and the Orthodox the Holidays are two days.
I believe that the only exception to this is Rosh Hashanah which is two
days everywhere except for Jerusalem (correct me if I am wrong). In
this case the holiday is at the beginning not the middle of the month
and even within Israel the information could be misconveyed.
Gavriel
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| 383.10 | You mean we get 2 long weekends in a row? | IAGO::SCHOELLER | Caught in an information firestorm | Thu Oct 08 1987 16:12 | 19 |
| Extension of .-1.
I forgot to add that for Israelis in the diaspora they do not have to
observe the second day of the holiday. They are required to not
publicly violate it. This applies if they are here as temporary
visitors. If they are permanent residents they are bound by the
local rules. It means that for example El Al will probably not fly
out of Israel so as to arrive in the diaspora during the second day
of the holiday.
Also Simchat Torah, while treated as a holiday of its own, is really
the second day of Shemini Atzeret.
Of course you know that our best people to answer these questions
are not at work today (it's Sukkoth) and can't contribute until Sunday
or Monday.
L'hit,
Gavriel
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| 383.11 | two days for Rosh Hashana everywhere | JEREMY::ERIC | from somewhere in the Mediterranean | Sat Oct 10 1987 15:57 | 5 |
| .9> I believe that the only exception to this is Rosh Hashanah which is two
.9> days everywhere except for Jerusalem (correct me if I am wrong).
Rosh Hashana is two days everywhere, including here (Jerusalem). The local
Reform folks may celebrate only one, I suppose.
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