| Title: | BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest |
| Notice: | 1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration |
| Moderator: | SMURF::FENSTER |
| Created: | Mon Feb 03 1986 |
| Last Modified: | Thu Jun 05 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 1524 |
| Total number of notes: | 18709 |
Hi! Maybe this doesn't belong here? Maybe I don't belong here? ...but here goes. My exwife and I were divorced seven years ago. We had two children during our nine year marriage. We were not Jewish. I remarried two and a half years ago. The woman that I am married to now is Catholic. I was raised Church of Christ. My wife is shunned at her local parish because I refused to go through the Catholic church's annulment process. My thought was that My first marriage and the divorce had nothing to do with Catholicism so why do I need there approval. Anyway that's not what I need input on. My exwife is soon going to marry a Jewish man. She is converting but not the children. The man's mother is Orthodox and disapproves of the kids mother and wont even talk to the kids. They are not allowed over to his mother's house. The kids have come to me several times; I have them every weekend; with questions about the Jewish religion, way of life, whats going on with their Mother, why Brad's mother treats them the way she does, and will they lose me. I can handle the "lose me" questions; they wont. But I not sure how to answer the Jewish related questions. The kids have been to a synagogue (sp) a couple of times and talked with a Rabbi, but I'm their Dad so I get the questions. Is there some book or reference material, short of becoming a Jew myself, that I could use to help me with the kids? I don't want to (un)intentionally misinform them. All four (step)parents involved are on good terms and communicate regularly. But when I get asked a question I don't want to say hold that thought while I make a phone call. The kid's health, happiness, and mental security are my primary concern. Thanks for any thoughts. Scott P. Hanson RLO Chicago
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| 356.1 | Good luck | CADSYS::RICHARDSON | Fri Sep 04 1987 12:59 | 38 | |
Wow, what a story! You have all of our sympathy, and of course
your questions are welcome in this file (well, I'm not a moderator
of it, but I'll say so anyhow).
My first husband was Catholic. When he left, I offered to go through
a Catholic church annullment for him so he could remarry in the
church, but he wasn't interested (I don't think it is that big a
deal in most parishes anymore, but I have heard of some people who
were really given a hard time - very sad business!). This wasn't
a problem for me when I married Paul, since it wasn't a Jewish marriage
and so didn't need a Jewish divorce (called a "get"). I don't know
what my ex-inlaws think of all this, but none of them live near
here and I haven't seen any of them since before the divorce...
As far as your ex's new mother-in-law goes, she will probably come
around in time, unless she is very strict and/or the children are
very badly-behaved when she is around. If you and your ex-wife
wanted to, the children could be converted at the same time as your
ex is (if they are under 13, anyways) with no extra work on their
part, although they have to accept the conversion again when they
become 13. That would probably make things better with the
mother-in-law, but of course it isn't an option if the children
are being raised as Christians, and I'm sure the rabbi involved
has already discussed the possibility with your ex. If you are
on good terms with her, you could try asking your ex to ask the
rabbi to reccomend a couple of books to you, or call the rabbi up
yourself (or some other rabbi, if you and your ex don't communicate
very well - a rabbi of a liberal congregation is more likely to
be sympathetic to your dilemma). One good book I can think of
is titled "To Be a Jew", by something like Donin, or maybe Donini.
There are several books describing Jewish faith and practices (usually
from a fairly liberal prospective -- as you may have gathered, I
belong to a liberal congregation; it is very unlikely that I would
have been married to a Catholic man otherwise) for non-Jews, which
a rabbi coule reccommend to you. Good luck! Let us know how it
works out. Also, there are several very well-educated people (not
me!) who read this file who can answer any specific questions you
come up with.
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| 356.2 | More reading available | IAGO::SCHOELLER | Help! | !pleH | Fri Sep 04 1987 13:28 | 6 |
"To Be a Jew" - R. Chaim HaLevi Donin - Very good on how to
Check note 110.* for more books.
Gavriel
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| 356.3 | Check out 129.* | PIWACT::KLEINBERGER | MAXCIMize your efforts | Sat Sep 05 1987 20:22 | 6 |
You might also want to check out note 129.* here... People were
extremely helpful in answering my questions aboutthe jewish
religion/holidays, you might gain some understanding through that
topic...
Gale
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| 356.4 | Understanding Judasim... | BAGELS::SREBNICK | David Srebnick, NCSS, LKG1-3/B19 | Tue Sep 08 1987 09:49 | 27 |
Understanding Judasim, by Rabbi Eugene Borowitz. This book is
published by the UAHC (Reform) and is geared mostly to high school
age. It provides a good overview of contemporary Reform Jewish
thought.
One chapter of the book is devoted to answering eight or nine
basic questions about Judaism from a Reform point of view (by R.
Borowitz), along with "responsa" from a Conservative and an Orthodox
authority. It is this chapter that may help you deal with the
questions involving conflict between traditional and liberal Jewish
thought.
As I browse the shelves of the Israel Book Store here in Mass.,
several books on this topic catch my eye; some are geared for young
adults. The books tell stories of young people going through events
similar to what your kids must be experiencing. Since I've never
had occasion to read one I really can't speak for how good they
are, but they're worth browsing for.
Also, perhaps a Rabbi, or someone from Jewish Family Services (or
whatever they call it out in Chicago) can help by suggesting books.
Without knowing the nature of the questions your kids are asking, I
could only guess that you'd have to do an awful lot of study (and have
lots of experience) to become the "expert" your kids seem to need.
Although not desirable, it would seem that the "hold on while I make a
phone call..." approach might be a good way to go for the more complex
or technical issues.
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| 356.5 | What is a Jew? | CSCMA::SEIDMAN | Aaron Seidman | Tue Sep 08 1987 10:40 | 8 |
A good place to start is Morris Kertzer's _What is a Jew?_. It is one of the most popular books used in conversion classes because it is very straightforward and is based on thousands of actual questions directed at the author during his rabbinical career. It does not presume any prior knowledge of Judaism. Aaron | |||||
| 356.6 | NETEAM::HANSON | Ridin' the storm out... | Tue Sep 08 1987 11:18 | 19 | |
Thanks! I appreciate the timely responces. I have compiled a
list of books and will spend spend a couple of lunch hours browsing
the book stores this week. I was thinking this weekend that even
if the kids were not hitting me with questions it would be a good
idea for me to learn more.
re:.1 The exwife and I talk several times a week. Our
conversations are usually about whats happening with the kids. The
exwife, her future husband, my wife, and I all know each other and
are on friendly terms. We even end up sitting together at school
functions. And as far as the kids behavior goes they are kids. They
tend to be on the quiet side unless they really know all the people
that are present.
Anyway...thanks!
Scott
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| 356.7 | NETEAM::HANSON | Mon Sep 14 1987 12:01 | 16 | ||
Hi!
Just a little update. On Labor day (now this could get confusing)
my exwife's parents had my exwifes future husband's family over.
His brothers and sisters are quite liberal and have many Christian
friends and so on. But his Mother has never been in a Christian
home before and was pleasently surprised to discover that there
weren't crosses on all the walls and that Christians are people
too. She spent some time playing with the kids and all in all had
a real good time. So everyone involved is real pleased.
I have started reading "To Be A Jew" but not tonight...Bears/Giants
game. Thanks again!
Scott
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| 356.8 | Generic title | SWATT::POLIKOFF | See SWATT run. Run SWATT run. | Thu Oct 15 1987 14:56 | 8 |
I have known several people who said they were Orthodox Jews
and acted the way the step-grandmother is acting. In reality they
are not Jews. The Jewish religion does not preach hatred. My uncle
called himself an Orthodox Jew but when his son married a Gentile
he refused to see his son. My uncle recently died of cancer and
if I were a betting person I would bet 2 shekels he is frying in
Hell now.
Arnie, the Orthodox pork eater
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