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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

348.0. "Help identify this symbol" by CHAPLN::ROSENTHAL (Four days and counting...) Thu Aug 27 1987 10:39

    Can anyone identify the following symbol?  Someone in the office
    has a medallion with this design on it:
    
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    That's the best I can reproduce it on this terminal.  On the back,
    it says "Terra Sancta Guild 1969 Israel".
    
    ok, everyone... what do you know?
    
    /donna
    
    
    
    
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348.1...and the answer is....BAGELS::FROLICHThu Aug 27 1987 11:096
    Having recently returned from Israel, I too have seen it.  It is
    the Jerusalem cross; I saw it at the holy Christian places as well
    as all the trinket shops.  Whats it mean?.....I have no idea.
    
    Bob
    
348.2well, that's a startCHAPLN::ROSENTHALFour days and counting...Thu Aug 27 1987 11:169
    
    Well, at least we've now got a name for it... having seen it at
    all the "holy Christian places", do you think we can assume it's
    not a Jewish symbol?
    
    By the way, HI!  We're getting married in 3 days!
    
    /donna
    
348.3There are some who know more than weIAGO::SCHOELLERHelp! | !pleHThu Aug 27 1987 11:227
Shalom Donna,

Try IOSG::CHRISTIAN.  There is more likely someone there who knows
Christian symbols.  Terra Sancta is just Holy Land.

L'hit,
Gabi
348.4Terra Sancta?CURIE::FEINBERGDon FeinbergThu Aug 27 1987 12:239
When I was at the Hotel Melachim (Kings) in Jerusalem about four weeks
ago, there was a group from Spain, of about 60 people, all with little
badges with that cross, a "terra sancta" logo, and their name.

Real _weird_ to be eating dinner in Jerusalem, and have 60 people get
up and "cross themselves".

/don feinberg
348.5WHICH::MAGIDThu Aug 27 1987 12:349
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    Don why is it so "_weird_" to find people "crossing themselves"
    
    Remember that Jerusalem is "the HOLY CITY" for several major religions
    of the world. 
    
    By the way we haven't seen each other in long time, the families
    should get togther soon.
348.6CURIE::FEINBERGDon FeinbergThu Aug 27 1987 13:3726
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>>    Don why is it so "_weird_" to find people "crossing themselves"
    
>>    Remember that Jerusalem is "the HOLY CITY" for several major religions
>>    of the world. 
    

	Yeah, I know, I know. I use the word "weird" only in the sense that
	I didn't really expect what I saw, i. e., a majority of identifiable
	Christians in a restaurant in Israel. In that sense, it
	was "weird" to be in the minority, in a Kosher place, in Jerusalem.

	That is really a "head trip". I eat only in kosher places. And, 
	since a majority of restaurants in Israel are non-Kosher,
	my "head-set" is to expect mostly Jews in Kosher places.
	(I was in Melachim as part of a group... and remember that the
	population of Israel is ~ 75% Jewish, slightly < 25% Muslim, and
	the rest [I believe, under 4%] Christian, Druze, others. _That_
	partially sets my expectations.)

	It's part of my education in Israel.



/dlf
348.7Custodia Terra SanctaeTAVMTS::JUANSun Sep 13 1987 15:089
    Going back to the cross that opened the note, it is the emblem of
    the "Custodia Terra Sancta" (?sp), i.e.: The guardians of the Holly
    Land, as the Franciscan order was consecrated by the Popes to be the 
    guardians of the Holy Land and Christian holy places after the
    Crusaders were defeated. The Franciscans namely, and priests of
    other orders kept the different shrines (many times fighting one
    the other the right to clean and or keep a certain shrine) under
    the Arab and Otoman rules and later, in this century, the rule of
    the English, the Jordans and Israelis.