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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

344.0. "Naming conventions..." by COERCE::BOGATY (Dan Bogaty) Mon Aug 24 1987 17:59

  My mother-in-law died recently and since we are expecting
a daughter in November we will name her after her grandmother.

  The question is: does tradition look askance at having the
babies' (English) *middle* name be her grandmother's? Is this
seen as somehow less (sincere/meaningful/appropriate) than if
the babies' *first* name were her grandmother's?

  I realize that current practice in naming ranges from:
No English-name "remembrance", to a name with the same letter,
to using the full name. 

  Any comments on relevant tradition to aid our decision?
    
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344.1Names - SchmamesHJUXB::ADLEREd AdlerMon Aug 24 1987 18:5413
    When we named our kids, we tried to follow "tradition".  See how
    far it got us.
    
    Our son's middle name is Samuel (Sh'muayl) after my grandfather.
    Reason it's not his first name - my wife couldn't stand having a
    kid called Sammy.
    
    Our daughter's name is Michelle.  We liked the name; it began with
    "M" after my wife's great grandmother, Molly (Molkka).  WE THOUGHT!
    Only later did we find out, just in time for the naming, that the
    Hebrew name should be (and is) Freda Molkka.
    
    /Ed
344.2What's in a nameTAVMTS::JUANSun Sep 13 1987 14:5651
    We Jews have different naming traditions and conventions: Ashkenazim
    tend to name their children in remembrance of some relative or dear-one
    that passed away. Sometimes, if the deceassed had more than a single
    name, it was used to shange the order of the names. As such we had
    a full dinasty of Rabbi's beginning with Shneur-Zalman, followed
    with Zalman-Shneur, followed by...
    
    One exponent was the late Israeli President SHAZAR (Shazar stands
    for SHneur ZAlman Rabinovich).
    
    Sefardic Jews, on the contrary, use to name children for living
    relatives, considering a bad omen to give a child the name of someone
    that passed away too young.
    
    In Biblical times, it seems that no particular rule was followed
    but to try to give a name with a particular meaning, according either
    to the situation or feelings of the parents:
    Reuben: See all, it's a boy!
    Moshe: from the waters I saved him
    Hava: mother of life
    Joakim: The Lord shall raise him, etc.
    
    In later times, we see the influence of the surroundings and Jews
    having two names: Yehuda Aristobulus, Johanan Hircanus,
    Yedidyah=Theophilos i.e.: Filon, of Alexandria, etc.
    
    Foreign names were also adopted:
    Mordecai, related to Marduch.
    Esther, related to Ashtoret (Middle Eastern Canaanite Gods), etc.
    
    If we look at the names of our forefathers, a few generations ago,
    we can find traces of every where Jews have been:
    Luna, Blanca, Palomba Spanish names among Turkish Jews;
    Yente (Gentile), Perl, Gute, Freidl, Yiddish names among Polish
    and East European Jews, etc.
    
    My conclusion after this lenghty "Essay" is that Jews CHANGED their
    naming traditions with time and place, and is very difficult - if
    possible- to define what the right name should be.
    
    Here in Israel most people went back to the very early naming
    tradition: We find Itamar (May he grow tall as a palm), Rony (my
    Joy), etc.
    
    So perhaps my advise, give your child a name you'll be proud of,
    aname your dear ones would have smiled with the sound and the music
    of it - and let our children keep the names of their ancestors in
    their harts.
    
    Juan-Carlos
    
344.3REGENT::WOLFMon Oct 05 1987 14:284
    We had a daughter 15 months ago and went the traditional route.
    I wanted her first name to emulate my boobies name. She was Ester
    so we named her Elissa with a hebrew name of Ester.
               jzw