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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

276.0. "Crossing timezones with a Magilla?" by CADSYS::RICHARDSON () Tue Mar 03 1987 12:45

    Paul and I are going to be on a plane flying west on Purim.  I figured
    that I would simply bring a copy of a printed Megillah along and
    we could read it.  However, my sister-in-law (very strict orthodox)
    asked us what TIME we were going to do so, since we will cross several
    time zones during the "day".  Anyone know?  I would guess that the
    thing to do is to follow the time zone where the trip started -
    especially since we cross the international dateline, which really
    confuses things.  We end up with no Saturday(!) on the way out, and
    two Mondays (I think) on the return trip because of that.  I think
    it only makes sense to follow the time zone you are in when you
    are not airborne.        
    
    This kind of reminds me of the discussion about when Judy Resnick
    should light shabbos candles while in orbit (sigh....).
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276.1Is Magilla gorilla kosherSWATT::POLIKOFFMy apple trees have no peers.Tue Mar 03 1987 15:265
    	As long as we are on Purim... What are the noise makers called
    and does anyone have a good recipe for poppy seed homintashen.
    
    BTW. If you are going to be tested for drugs, don't eat poppy seed
    homentashen because you will test positive for heroin and morphine.
276.2CURIE::FEINBERGDon FeinbergTue Mar 03 1987 17:0713
reply to < Note 276.1 by SWATT::POLIKOFF "My apple trees have no peers." >

    	As long as we are on Purim... What are the noise makers called

>>>	"graggers"!

    and does anyone have a good recipe for poppy seed homintashen.
    
>>>	sure.  did you intend to have it posted here or do you want it
>>>	privately? ...oy vey, I'm making another 8 dozen Wednesday night.

/don feinberg

276.3HereDARTH::SCHORRWed Mar 04 1987 10:021
    Post it here
276.4I don't believe this bubbermiser about poppy seedsIOSG::LEVYALL-IN-1 QA BloodhoundWed Mar 04 1987 11:063
    but don't mind getting high too!
    
    Malcolm
276.5FELIX::GKLEINBERGERmisery IS optionalWed Mar 04 1987 12:395
    For us forgetful folks (non-jewish types)...
    
    What exactly is Purim?, and when is it?
    
    Gale
276.6GRAMPS::LISSESD&amp;P ShrewsburyWed Mar 04 1987 12:565
    re -.1
    
    See last years Purim note for more information (#83)
    
    			Fred
276.7And a good time is had by all.ULTRA::OFSEVITSold stock at 105...sighWed Mar 04 1987 12:5710
    re .5
    
    	Purim is the celebration of the story of the Book of Esther.
    Associated customs include gift-giving, noise-making, wearing of
    costumes, drinking ("One should drink enough so that one can not
    distinguish between Haman [the bad guy] and Mordecai [our hero]"),
    and general silliness.  It comes on the 14th of Adar, just a month
    before Passover.
    
    		David
276.8Thanks!!!!!!FELIX::GKLEINBERGERmisery IS optionalWed Mar 04 1987 19:491
    
276.9English one pleaseIOSG::LEVYALL-IN-1 QA BloodhoundThu Mar 05 1987 13:355
    Hi,
    
    Does anyone know the date this year?
    
    Malcolm
276.10I my time zone...GRECO::FRYDMANThu Mar 05 1987 16:053
    Purim starts Saturday evening, March 14th (after Shabbos).
    
    --Av
276.11See what I mean?CADSYS::RICHARDSONFri Mar 06 1987 14:347
    See, that's the question I was asking.  I fly west starting early
    Friday, Saturday "disappears" due to the International Date Line,
    and I land on Sunday (their time).  So when is Shabbos, and when
    does Purim start, for those of us on the plane?
    
    (I suppose I should say, in case you are confused, that I don't keep
    shomer shabbos!)
276.12Today is 14 Adar...CSCMA::SEIDMANAaron SeidmanSun Mar 15 1987 16:1467
        I realize that this is a little late for this year, but perhaps
        it will be useful in the future.  I thought the problem was
        sufficiently intriguing that I presented it to our Minyan and
        we discussed it during our Purim feast.  Now, not all of it bears
        directly on the problem raised in .0, but we've tried to be as
        helpful as we can; the fruits of our collective research follows:

                     RESPONSA(?) TO THE PURIM PROBLEM:

       The earliest traditions on what to do when crossing the
       international date line are found in the creation story, when Eve
       was chastised for falling for the serpent's line and eating the
       date.  Some would call that an interspecific, rather than
       international, date line, but in the context of the times I think
       that is being picky.

       Rabbinic consideration of the international date line is found in
       the Maaseket Bedihah.  Bet Shammai, as might be expected, cautions
       that when one goes to Moab one must be careful only to eat dates
       one has picked oneself, lest they be from an immature tree or
       untithed, but Bet Hillel permits eating dates, figs and almonds
       from the market if one is so hungry that even the sight of the
       Moabite marketplace isn't enough to make one lose one's appetite.
       Again, it is not clear that this is entirely relevant to the
       problem at hand, but one has to take what one can find.

       The Hasar Gaon, in the medieval period, said that rumors of an
       international date line were to be ignored, since it would serve
       no useful function on a flat earth.

       In modern times, the Bet Din of Chelm held that if one were
       traveling on Purim and it was not possible to read the Megillah
       because of seasickness or the bouncing of the stagecoach, one
       should at least drink enough to satisfy the admonition to get
       drunk enough so as not to know the difference between "blessed be
       Mordechai" and "cursed be Haman."

       A more recent ruling by the Meshuggena Rebbe (the same one who
       prescribed candlelighting times for female Jewish astronauts) is
       probably more to the point; he said that if one misses Shabbat by
       going west across the date line on Friday, one is obliged to cross
       back the following Saturday night, bringing one back to Shabbat.
       The problem, of course, is that as soon as one recrosses the date
       line, there is the question of how does one avoid violating the
       Shabbat.  This problem, says the Rebbe, is to be solved by Elijah
       (see the Rebbe's new edition of the Pesah Haggadah, with its
       "Questions to ask before we let Eliyahu have his wine").

       Rabbi Judith Pilpul says men are responsible for such situations,
       which is why there has been such a demand for male poskim over the
       generations.
       
       Joseph Loharav, a member of our Minyan who specializes in space
       halakhah, pointed out that there will be even more difficult
       problems to deal with in the years to come.  For example, when we
       have a colony on the moon and we start growing food there, should
       we say ha-motzi lehem min ha-aretz or min ha-lavanah?  And what
       do we do on Mars, where the day is 40 minutes longer than on Earth
       and therefore the calendar will be out of sync?  And that's to say
       nothing of the problem of deciding which of Mars two moons we use
       as a guide to Rosh Hodesh!
       
       (By this time it was getting a little diffucilt te koop up with
       the dicscuion with all the wine so these are all the notse i have
       and that wil have to do until next Puri m...)
       
                                        Aaron
276.13Ho ho ho!CADSYS::RICHARDSONThu Apr 09 1987 12:524
    Tee hee!  Hope you had a good Purim!
    As it turned out, I forgot to pack a Megillah, anyhow (along with
    a few other items - was awfully busy the few days before we left).
    Oh, well, there's alwasy next year...