Conference taveng::bagels

>    Why is BAGELS being closed to non-members? 
 
    Security reasons.

>    It's nice to see comments and questions from occasional readers.
>    Open files let people browse around, and sample things. Closing
>    the file will stop this, because people won't go through the 
>    necessary procedure to access it.
 
    Open files let people mess around, and abuse things.  Closing the
    file will stop this, because people will HAVE to go through
    the necessary procedure to access it.
   
>    In addition, closing the file will make it too clannish. It gives
>    the appearance that you have something to hide, or have some sort
>    of screening process before you let people in. Most people will
>    think it is for Jews only, and they will wonder what you are hiding.

    Then let them send me mail and ask for membership.

    I have a simple screeing process people:

	1. If you contribute more grief then beneficial information,
		YOU WILL NOT BE A MEMBER.

	2. If you flame at me by personal mail,
		YOU WILL NOT BE A MEMBER.

	3. If you try to access BAGELS.NOTE by ANY other method than NOTES,
	        YOU WILL NOT BE A MEMBER. (And a Security check will be run)

	

There is an alternative to keeping BAGELS members-only.

As suggested in the VAXNOTES conference on CLT:: (note 891), two copies of 
BAGELS could be maintained -- the master copy would be members-only and 
writable, while the slave copy (kept consistent with the master) would be 
accessible to everyone but read-only.  A daily batch job could update the 
slave from the master.  

With this workaround, anybody could follow what's going on, but one would 
have to enroll as a member to say anything.  The primary cost of this 
workaround would be space, and if this cost is acceptable, security and 
accessibility can both be achieved.

David Ellis -- Secure Systems Group -- LTN2-2/C08 -- DTN 226-6784 

    I will take this under consideration with my System
    Manager.

    MadManMordecai

    It would be nice if, instead of getting "You are not a member of
    this conference", some sort of message *inviting* membership could
    be returned instead.  Any VAXNOTES or TPU gurus know?
    
    Dave

    Or BETTER:

	If a conference goes members only (Sounds like a clothing
    commercial) then it can check the username of the person
    accessing and if there is a note already in the conference
    by that person (In a registration note) then it will add
    the person automatically and send mail to the MOD.

	    NOW THAT's AND enhancement.

    I must have missed something, but who/why is doing what to BAGELS?
    BTW maybe our distinguished moderator can share some of his experiences
    in the Holy Land (under a separate note , of course)?

    Someone ( I shan't mention names) who works in Parker Street
    who I used to rent a room from was Accessing our cluster
    with every conceivable method.  (PHONE, NOTES, DIR) 
    Security started an investigation and suggested (Left it
    up to me) to do whatever necessary to prevent corruption
    of the file.  SInce that time things have been locked up.
    BAGELS will be public soon. For now, please keep the flames a little
    lower.

    
    Just wait one second!!!!
    What's this memebership buisness.  The first thing a Jewish org.
    does is create memebership and committees, and then they charge
    membership dues, and then the Ladies Auxilary with those stupid
    hat shows, and then we have a building fund appeal.          
    I can just imagine, accessing the conference and getting a note
    which reads:
    
    		And for only $18.00 each and every one of you can
    		have the honor of a memory chip dedicated to your
    		children, grandparents, parents....
    I guess by the fact that I was allowed in I must be a member
    (didn't Groucho say something about the respectability of any 
     club that would have him as a member).
    
    Bruce
    

    Are we still members only?
    
    Leo