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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:	BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:	1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:	SMURF::FENSTER

Created:	Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:	Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1524
Total number of notes:	18709

201.0. ""HADLAKAT NEROT"" by TAVEIS::COHEN () Mon Sep 29 1986 05:32

SHALOM FROM ISRAEL SUBSIDIARY !

Can someone tell me the "ZMAN HADLAKAT NEROT" AND "ZMAN HAVDALA" in 
GENEVA & LONDON ?

SHANA TOVA, KETIVA VE'CHATIMA TOVA LEKOL AM ISRAEL.

Avi

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T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
201.1	translated into the vernacular...	CADSYS::RICHARDSON		`Mon Sep 29 1986 14:00`	9
	Hmm, and I thought I had trouble with some of you using Yiddish I couldn't follow... Not all of us are scholars; please translate things into English. I THINK he wants the candle-lighting and havdalah times in Geneva and in London (I wonder for what days?); can anyone help him, if so?
201.2	Here's London...	TAV02::ALLIN1V2	Le'Chaim	`Tue Sep 30 1986 07:35`	9
	I can't give you Geneva, but I just returned from London. Knista Hashabbat was 6:45. Yitsiat Hashabbat was 7:34. This was for Nitsavim Vayelech. Cb.
201.3	It Works Both Ways	TOPDOC::ZOLINA		`Wed Oct 01 1986 17:13`	8
	Mne by vashi zaboty Which means: I should have your worries (in Russian). Could somebody supply the Yiddish and Hebrew translations and transliterations? Rima
201.4	Here you are...translations	LSMVAX::ROSENBLUH		`Wed Oct 01 1986 19:21`	56
	Ok. 1) z'man hadlakat nerot = candle-lighting time background info - we light candles at the start-time of the sabbath and of most jewish holidays. The start-time is 18 minutes before sunset. Therefore, the start-time varies according to time-of-year and your location. Somebody travelling just before or after a sabbath or holiday would most likely need to know when candle-lighting time is so that he could be sure his travel plans would not conflict (most forms of travel - car, plane, rail - are forbidden on the sabbath etc.) 2) z'man havdalah = literally, the time for performing the havdalah ceremony. Loosely speaking, the end-time of the sabbath or holiday. This is approximately 40 minutes after sunset, on the following day from the start time, of course. havdalah literally means 'the dividing ceremony' - we mark the end of the sabbath/holiday with a short ceremony involving praising God for dividing sanctified times and things from non-sanctified...hence the name havdalah. 3) shana tova = have a happy new year 4) ketiva vehatimah tova lekol am yisrael = may all of Israel (that is, all Jews) be written down and sealed in God's book for a good year. Our tradition is that on Rosh Hashana we are judged on our actions of the past year, and God decides what our fate for the coming year will be. Until Yom Kippur, through repentance of past actions, we may influence that judgement, and on Yom Kippur, the fate is sealed. So, during the month or so before Rosh Hashana, and through Yom Kippur, this closing-phrase (what's the opposite of greeting?) is used among Jews in spoken and written communications. 4) Nitsavim-vayelech = Sep. 26 Each Sabbath during the year has a unique name - the name is the portion of the Torah read on that Sabbath. This year, the Sabbath that fell on Sep 26-27 (started on Friday evening Sep 26, that is) was one on which we read 2 portions; nitsavim and vayelech, [Deut. 29:9 to 31:30], so that is it's 'name'. The portions do not correspond with chapter divisions in the Bible. On most sabbaths, one portion is read. Occasionally, in order to accomodate funny happenings with the calendar, we read two. We start at the beginning on the sabbath after Simhat Torah (Nov 1 this year) and finish at the end by Simhat Torah of the following year. 5) Kenisat hashabat = the beginning of Shabat 6) Yetsiat hashabat = the end of Shabat Whew. That's all folks.