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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

144.0. "Danke viel mals" by ZEPPO::BANCROFT () Mon Jun 16 1986 14:56

    PLEASE ADVISE
    What are the Kosher laws regarding birds?
    Fish and four foots I know.  Birds I do not remember, if I ever
    knew.  
    I know chickens and turkeys are ok, at least if you are not
    yourself chicken, or a turkey.  What is it in the laws which
    will exclude the Turkey Buzzard from the dinner table, yet?
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144.1Eating of carrion forbiddenCURIE::GOLDJack E. Gold, MRO3Mon Jun 16 1986 17:557
    I belief that which excludes things like buzzards and the like are
    that they eat carrion. Animals that eat dead animals, that
    is animals that died of causes other than being killed as prey directly
    by the animal, are considered forbidden. This includes all scavengers,
    and is why shell fish are considered traif as well.
    
    Jack
144.2partial replyZEPPO::BANCROFTTue Jun 17 1986 10:566
    A local expert (also the moderator) mentioned that he believed that
    scaley feet and feathers were required.  As said in .-1 there are
    other exclusions probable.  I was curious.  Normally the dietary
    laws are so exquisitely explicit, I just wondered what the exact
    phrasing.  Is the place to look this up the Talmud?
   
144.3CARLIN::MAHLERMichaelTue Jun 17 1986 11:458
    DISCLAIMER:

	I may be the moderator, but I am no expert
    regarding Jewish Law.  I can not cite Halachim
    from memory, nor would want to ! 8-}

	MadMan Mordechai
144.4Kosher and non-kosher birds explained, a little.BAGELS::SREBNICKDavid Srebnick, NCSS, LKG1-3/B19Thu Jun 19 1986 20:5916
    The following is an excerpt from TO BE A JEW, by Rabbi Haim Halevy
    Donin (Orthodox authority).
    
    "Among fowl, no specific characteristics to distinguish the permitted
    birds from the prohibited ones are given in the Torah.  Instead,
    they are identified by name and species, twenty-four in all.  From
    those listed in the Torah, the Talmud deduced the characteristics
    of the forbidden birds.  Mostly, they are birds of prey or ones
    that treat their food as to birds of prey.  They include vultures,
    ravens, hawks, ostriches, pelicans, storks, herons, etc.  The permitted
    fowl have traditionally been identified.  The are: chicken, turkey,
    geese, ducks, and doves."
    
    Vayikra (Leviticus) Chapter 11 and D'Varim (Deuteronomy) 14:2-21
    list those animals, fish, and fowl which are permitted to be eaten
    and those which are forbidden to be eaten.