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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

111.0. "Strike back at terrorism" by WHAT::SCHWARTZ (Steven H. Schwartz) Tue Apr 15 1986 09:53

    I predict lively conversation here.
    
    Opening toss:  Reagan appears to have made a proper move yesterday.
    We needed to do -something- about increasingly decriminalized terrorism
    in the world, particularly that sponsored by Libya.  And there is
    now no question about Libya's participation.  Our European allies
    are unwilling to take a political/economic stand, beyond
    finger-shaking.  Uninational economic moves are likely to be
    ineffective.  So we went in.
    
    
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111.1striking backDELNI::GOLDBERGTue Apr 15 1986 12:129
    By its attack on Libya, the US has established its right to respond
    to acts of terror.  What bothers me, however, is that we now seem
    to be stuck with using conventional weapons and tactics to fight
    a guerilla war on a global scale.  Seems a very costly enterprise.
    
    So far, the Russian non-response has been a big plus.  Is there
    a message to the Arab world in it?  I hope that we are prepared
    to respond to any acts of terror sponsored or carried out by Syria,
    Iran, or the Palestinians, in support of Khadafy.
111.2Let's be -careful- out thereWHAT::SCHWARTZSteven H. SchwartzTue Apr 15 1986 13:2610
    I would speculate that Soviet non-response comes from an old US/USSR
    desire to avoid direct confrontatino with one another.  That is
    -way- too dangerous, given our mutual nuclear arsenals.  A Security
    Council motion, followed by an American veto, is more likely.
    
    From the morning news, the Arabs are reluctant to follow Libya's
    call for an oil sales embargo.  Egypt is "distressed," etc.  But
    Reagan has been notably anti-Khadafi and neutral-Arab.  I predict
    major Arab and Soviet-bloc denunciations, but no hard-effect reaction.
    
111.3Low KeyGRAMPS::LISSFred - ESD&P Shrewsbury MATue Apr 15 1986 13:5521
    < Note 111.2 by WHAT::SCHWARTZ "Steven H. Schwartz" >
                       -< Let's be -careful- out there >-
    
    "From the morning news, the Arabs are reluctant to follow Libya's
    call for an oil sales embargo.  Egypt is "distressed," etc.  But
    Reagan has been notably anti-Khadafi and neutral-Arab.  I predict
    major Arab and Soviet-bloc denunciations, but no hard-effect reaction."
    
    Just out of curiosity I tuned in Radio Moscow at 9:30 PM to hear what
    they would say about the incident. They spoke of "American armed
    agression against Libya" for about 30 seconds and then went on to
    other "news". The Soviets are playing it very low key.
    
    Our own allies are rougher on us. A West German, English language,
    broadcast thought our action was "unnecessary". I wonder what the
    french are saying about us?
    
    				Fred
    


111.4Europe playing ostrichWHAT::SCHWARTZSteven H. SchwartzTue Apr 15 1986 14:104
    Our allies are obviously scared.  But then, -we- are the superpower.
    Does Moscow ask Budapest's permission before staging parades in
    Kabul?  We apparently need to take the drastic actions alone, i.e.,
    supporting ourselves.  And that is the most secure approach.
111.5they're smiling in Tripoli and DamascusDONJON::GOLDSTEINTue Apr 15 1986 18:309
    Q'Daffy is probably very happy!  Now, with an external (non-Arab)
    threat, his domestic opposition will rally around the flag.  The
    hard liners in Egypt, Jordan and other "moderate" arab countries
    will have more of an excuse to put pressure on their governments.
    The terrorists will have more "excuses" to "retaliate".  The NATO
    alliance is weakened.  And the real terrorism won't change, since
    you can't fight a guerilla war with conventional means.
    
    Maybe they have a plant inthe White House.
111.6Cooperation is the keyR2D2::GREGYour friendly contact in GenevaWed Apr 16 1986 03:2022
    It is of course good for morale purposes to show the flag and "US
    resolve" on this issue. We have already seen, on european TV, "the
    innocent children and the dozens of apt. houses wrecked by the US
    attack" (hope the US will take the heat as nicely as we did during
    the Lebanese war, where the righteous US and european news agencies
    provided us with hours of ruined buldings-some of them dating back
    to 1976...)
    However, as gratifying as the "raid" was, we must not lose sight
    of the fact, that terrorism can only be fought by a general consesus
    of nations and not just individual countries. In Israel we have
    managed, at great cost, to limit to effect of terrorism but the
    rest of europe still suffers from it. The first steps, albeit cautious
    ones, were taken by the EEC in The Hague, where they decided to
    limit the movement of Libyan diploamts and enforce stricter laws
    concerning visas etc... . It is also clear that Libya is not alone
    in this. Given the U.S's abismal record in Lebanon, and the fact
    that it helped promote Assad's role as a power broker in the Middle
    East will the same resolve be directed to Syria and Iran?
    I hope that the "resolve" that was shown will not be a single fling
    and that through cooperation between the security services of all
    or a majority of countries this cancer can be eradicated. But it
    will have to be done together and not only by FB-111's
111.7My thoughtsPFLOYD::CHERSONThu Apr 17 1986 09:3915
    My opinion of the raid was that basically Reagan had nothing to
    lose, Libya is hardly a threat militarily to the sixth fleet, et.al.
    It mostly served the purpose of "getting our rocks off", but of
    course there was "collateral damage", i.e., civilian casualties,
    G-d I hate Caspar Weinberger, the ultimate in corporatespeak.
    
    What is more disconcerting to me is seeing all the righteous
    indignation in Europe over Libya.  Where were all these people after
    the attacks in Rome and Vienna?  Why weren't there demonstrations
    over that?  I think the answers are obvious, in any event to Israelis,
    who have been subjected to European opinion before.  Believe me
    it all revolves around that wonderful substance oil, nothing else,
    period.
    
    David