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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

100.0. "L'chayim!" by WHICH::SCHWARTZ (Steven H. Schwartz) Thu Apr 03 1986 23:33

    		"Kosher wine needn't be sweet just special"
    
    					--- Kedem wine advertisement
    
    
    		"Specially sweetened"
    
    					--- most Kedem wine bottles
    
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    I would like to start a tasteful discussion of Kosher wines.
    Recommendations of particular brands, suggestions for serving with
    what, best temperatures (warm/cool/cold will probably suffice).
    There -are- some good wines out there.
    Please share your experiences.
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100.1Additives, Additives, who needs Additives!CURIE::GOLDFri Apr 04 1986 09:4716
    "Specially Sweetened = Sugar Added"
    
    New York allows their wine makers to add things to their wine, such
    as sugar. Most other states that make good wines do not, such as
    CA and Wash. state. Hagafen Winery in CA. makes good (not great)
    Napa valley wines, and they have a strickly kosher rabbinic seal.
    They are even kosher l'pesach.
    
    Most of the Kedem wines are pretty bad, if you are used to drinking
    good wines (I know, that the term good is subjective). I haven't
    found any good Israeli wines yet either. I should add that I like
    whites, and my tastes normally run to reislings and the like.
    
    Anyone else have any suggestions?
    
    Jack
100.2WHOARU::MAHLERMichaelFri Apr 04 1986 09:536
    
    
    	All Kosher wines (sweetened) make
    	me go beddy by.
    
    
100.3Try Italian and FrenchPFLOYD::CHERSONFri Apr 04 1986 11:017
    You might try the Kosher for Pesach wines from Italy and France.
    Both my wife and I prefer white wine, and we found these to be the
    best.  I think Barbuto (?) is one label, not sure about the French
    name.  Carmel does export a few good wines in addition to the mediocre
    ones, you just have to look in the right places.
    
    David 
100.4The grass is always greener...WHAT::SCHWARTZSteven H. SchwartzFri Apr 04 1986 11:116
    The Carmel Grenache Rose I drank in Israel back in '81 was excellent.
    It was quite different from the Grenache Rose we get here.
    All exported Carmel wines are mevushal (pasteurized).  I don't know
    about their domestic counterparts; that might explain it.
    
    Yo' on TAV*:: -- is it better over there?
100.5My favorite wineSWATT::POLIKOFFArnie PolikoffFri Apr 04 1986 11:435
    	Do any of you wine connoisseurs know if they make a kosher for
    Passover ripple.

    Just kidding. I thought I would add a little levity after reading
    some flames.
100.6look for Kedem's *imports*4394::GOLDSTEINFred @226-7388Fri Apr 04 1986 12:1915
    Kedem imports several good Kosher wines -- I wouldn't touch the
    stuff they make in NY, though!  For Bordeaux freaks, there's Chateau
    Le Pin (ironic name, eh?).  There are a couple of Italian ones --
    a Soave and a Bardolino, I think -- but I too can't remember the
    name.  I also found a passable Alsatian wine last year (I'm a bit
    of a nut for Gewurztraminers).
    
    Don't check your local likker store (unless you live in North
    Brookline!).  Around Boston, though, there are several sources.
    Harvard Wine and Liquor in Brookline, The Wine Press in Brookline,
    and Brookline Liquor Mart in Allston all come to mind.  Wine stores,
    in contrast to liquor stores, are likely to have at least something
    decent.
    
    Buy early; last year supplies ran quite low!
100.7REAL champagne, soon!KATIE::RICHARDSONFri Apr 04 1986 13:3119
    Fred's right about Chateau Le Pin; we served it at our wedding.
     A few weeks ago, we were in NY to visit my husband's grandmother
    (lives in a Hasidic nursing home, lower East Side).  We happened
    to park in front of Schwartz's wine importers, so we stopped by,
    and learned something useful.  They are going to import REAL
    CHAMPAGNE from real champagne houses, and other REAL wines, all
    certified kosher by the Paris rabbinate.  He plans to not carry
    any more non-premium wines, and also said he was making arrangements
    to have his imports carried by the Butcherie in Brookline (the one
    is Wrocester does not carry wines yet, though they told us a week
    or so ago that they are working on it).  We only keep kosher during
    Passover (I probably should not admit that in this file, but that's
    our way of compromising traditions), so Paul and I know what real
    champagne is, but it will be quite a revelation when we present
    a bottle to my extremely-strict brother-in-law!  It was obvious
    that Mr. Schwartz knew the difference, too...  There really are
    a lot more kosher wines around then there used to be, so the strictly
    observant are not limited to a steady diet of incredibly-sweet kiddush
    wine as the only choice.
100.8Where to get itWHERE::SCHWARTZSteven H. SchwartzFri Apr 04 1986 14:435
    The (original) Butcherie (Harvard St., Brookline) has what is probably
    the largest selection of kosher wines in the area.  Kosher Mart
    (154 Chestnut Hill Ave, Brighton, four blocks north of Comm. Ave.)
    carries a smaller selection, but has some "elegant" wines: -real-
    sherry, Asti, one or two champagnes.
100.9TAV02::GOLDMANSun Apr 06 1986 08:267
    re .1
    
    Carmel makes a very good Emerald Reisling.  I think that
    I have seen it with an export label - but of course, I 
    don't know where they export it to!
    
    
100.10Emerald Riesling in ExileWHAT::SCHWARTZSteven H. SchwartzSun Apr 06 1986 11:273
    We get Emerald Riesling here too.  It's one of the better Carmel
    lines.
    
100.11MORE WINE!!!!???NY1MM::BCOHENMon Apr 07 1986 10:1023
    
    A family in my community sells wine to benefit a local yeshivah,
    they have an excellent selection of classy vintages thereby liberating
    us from the doldrums of Malaga.
    Among the better ones I've had are:
    	1) Kedem's Bartenura collection: Extremely impressive Asti
    	   Spumante, fantastic Lambrusco, and some good whites ( I forget
    	   the particular names but if it's Bartenura it's good).
    	2) Gamla- 1984 Cabernet Souvignon , I believe it's an Israeli
    	   wine, that was truly delicious.
    	3) I think the company is called MALOG (Israeli also) and they
  	   put out a fine line of wines, Golden Amber (semi-sweet white)
    	   was very good.
    	4) Last but not least- KEDEM WINE COOLER - I've never had the
    	   unkosher wine coolers but this stuff really knocks me for
    	   a loop.  A lot of fun and very tasty.
    
    hic. I hope (hic) everybody duz their shooping (hic) in time for
    Passover, itsh gonna be a borgasmord (hic) for the four cups.
    
    Bruce
     
    
100.12my errorSTRIPA::NYOSCFri Apr 11 1986 00:436
    	SORRY!!!
    	Misleading information in my prev. reply.
    	In reference to the company I thought was 'MALOG', is called
    	"MONFORT".  It is an imported Israeli and is very good.
    
    Bruce C.
100.13Keep those heads spinningTAV02::MAYERFri Apr 03 1987 08:3122
    
    This topic has been dormant for about a year so I can only assume
    that your heads haven't stopped spinning as a result of all the
    good wines you've all been consuming.
    
    So, in the spirit of things I highly recommend for the forthcoming
    festivities that you search out wines produced by the Golan winery
    and marketted under the YARDEN label. Although it is even kosher
    for Pasech it is still the best wine money can buy. Prove me wrong!
    
    I know it is imported into the States but I don't know where you
    can get it. Maybe someone can help?
    
    Pricewise, in Israel it sells at about $10 a bottle so it ain't
    cheap.
    
    So if you want that something special for your Pasech table try
    it. 
    
    Hag same'ah
    Mike
    
100.14Koshor PackiesAKOV75::SHEPROGood enough for Gov't WorkMon Apr 06 1987 21:105
    I've found that some or most of the packies in the Cooliage Corner
    Area of Brookline carry a lot of the Koshor wines.  Also , the
    Butcherie, a Koshor supermarket on Harvard ST. carries a large
    selection of wines.
    
100.15WinecellarYOUNG::YOUNGWed Apr 08 1987 15:364
    Yarden wine is also available from the Winecellar of Silene.
    
    			Paul
    
100.16GAMLATAV02::NITSANDuvdevani, DEC IsraelThu Apr 09 1987 05:525
I'm no expert in wines, and not in kosher-rules, but I really liked the
GAMLA Cabernet Sauvignon (sp?) wine. I think it comes from the same source
as the Yarden wines (i.e., the Golan).

Nitsan.
100.17Wine from Abraham's placeTAV02::JONATHANThu Apr 09 1987 07:074
Our favorite wine is Light Sweet White Wine from Hebron Vineyards. It sells
in Israel for about $2 a bottle and has a Badatz Hechsher. I think that the
company, which is only about 3 years old, exports overseas. They also have
red sweet wines and dry wines, too.