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Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
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62.0. "Soviet Jews" by GRAMPS::LISS () Thu Jan 16 1986 16:06

Below is a message I sent out n.r.j on the USENET. I'm posting it here 
because many of us do not subscribe to USENET news groups. Any 
comments?

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    	The other night I happened to catch about forty minutes or so 
        of a one hour show on Soviet Jews. I have often heard about 
        what goes on in the Soviet Union but it didn't hit home until 
        I had a chance to see for myself.
    
    	The Rabbi of the Moscow Synagogue said that there was no 
        anti-Semitism in the Soviet Union. He went on to say "If 
        anyone painted a swastika on someone's door they would be 
        punished severely." This may be true but the report went on to 
        show many of the subtle forms of anti-Semitism such as job 
        discrimination.
    
    	What really surprised me is that there is an anti-Zionism 
        committee made up almost entirely of Jews! There was an 
        interview with a Jewish government official (I forget his 
        title). He was standing in front of  bookcases packed with 
        "...4000 copies of the Babylonian Talmud. An outdated book 
        that nobody reads any more." I was really pissed at this guy 
        because he had the nerve to ware the same yarlmika (sp?) that 
        I do (blue velour with a gold design). I have often heard it 
        said that the worst anti-Semite is a Jewish anti-Semite.
    
    	On the brighter side there was a Yiddish singer who sang about 
        "nachas". I especially liked a lengthy interview with a group 
        of Jews who were known as "Refusenicks". I have never heard of 
        these people before but I find their outlook very refreshing. 
        They were interviewed while holding a Seder (in secret of 
        course). They spoke openly with the reporters about what it 
        was like to be a Jew in the Soviet Union and of their hopes to 
        emigrate to Israel some day.
    
    	Can anyone out there tell me more about the refusenicks? Also, 
        is there anyone out there who can give a first hand account of 
        what it is like to be a Jew in the Soviet Union?

				Fred
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62.1LSMVAX::ROSENBLUHThu Jan 16 1986 17:5267
There are 3 million Jews in the Soviet Union.  THREE MILLION.
It should not surprise you much that out of 3 million Jews, some will
be enemies of Jews, some will openly collaborate with an all-powerful
dictatorship which discriminates against Jews. 

I was really surprised and dismayed to hear that you had never heard
of refuseniks.  I guess this means the message needs alot more publicity
than it has gotten to date!   In the early 70's there was a CHANGE in
soviet policy in that applications from Jews requesting the privilege
to leave the Soviet Union were allowed.  (That's right, it's not a
RIGHT in the Soviet Union to travel freely to other countries. It's
a slave/prison state.) I don't have with me the numbers of people allowed
to emigrate, but they ranged in the low thousands to low tens-of-thousands
 for a few years. In the last couple of years, the number of people
allowed to leave has been drastically cut back, to a few hundred per year.
People who apply for the right to leave are considered enemies of the state.
Since in the Soviet Union the state controls most aspects of a person's
life, people considered enemies of the state no longer 'enjoy' the good
graces of the state.  They lose their jobs, they are refused admission
to universities, their children are publicly disgraced and discriminated
against in schools, etc.  They live from hand-to-mouth, often surviving
only because of the help of organizations in the free world.  That's if
they're lucky.  If they're not lucky, their activities in lobbying for
the freedom to emigrate, or their activities in keeping alive Jewish
education and religious practise, land them in prison camps, convicted
on charges of treason, hooliganism, etc.    They're called
'refuseniks' because they have applied for permission to emigrate (which
is clearly a momentous step from which there is no turning back) and
been refused.   

They depend on our help in two important ways.  1) Their situation must
be publicized.  Tyrants care about public opinion, even Soviet tyrants.
Writing letters to refuseniks helps because it lets the government know
that these people have friends, who care and make a stink about what
happens to them.  It also, obviously, helps someone who is living on
the outskirts of society and at the edge of the law to know that YOU
care about him.  Also,  writing letters to the Soviet Foreign Minister,
the Soviet Ambassador to the U.S., to President Reagan and your congress
representatives helps. (I'll bring in addresses soon).

2) $$$$$$$Money$$$$$$$$   The organizations to which you can contribute
do the following things:       a)  buy prayerbooks, religious articles, 
hebrew language books, etc and get them to refuseniks  b) fund people
to travel to the Soviet Union and visit refuseniks.  This is extremely
important.  c) give money, whe~ and where possible, to refuseniks, to
help them stay alive.    d) lobby in congress on issues that are relevant
to pressuring the Soviet Union in freeing refuseniks, and in lifting the
oppression under which Jews live.  e) collect information on refuseniks
and people imprisoned or exiled for Jewish activities.  A national database
pooling the information that the different organizations have is being
data-entered now.

The local organization is called Action for Soviet Jewry, I'll get the
address tomorrow, and I can't imagine a better use of your tzedaka
(charity) dollars or time.   The primacy attached to the mitzva of freeing
Jewish captives has meant the difference between Jewish survival and
extinction in our history -- more so than questions of intermarriage, 
reform vs. orthodox, women being counted in minyanim or not,  making aliya
vs not making aliya, and all the rest (They're also important issues, of
course).  When we think about the holocaust we all say Never Again.
Saying it is not enough; dedicating some part of our attention, money and
time to freeing Soviet Jews (and other captive Jews, for example in 
Syria and in Ethiopia) is what we can do, in our generation, to match
our saying Never Again.

				Kathy

62.2MILRAT::SEGALFri Jan 17 1986 00:3327
Re: .0

WRT Jewish Anti-semites, they ARE the worst kind!! I have run into this 
situation with my local PD. I have been a Special Police Officer for ~7 
years and used to work regularly on the Dept., either as a volunteer or 
paid details/shifts. There is only one full-time Jewish officer and ~8-10 
Specials. I put up with so much anti-semitic shit from this jerk that it 
got to be unbearable. [This in a Town of ~60% Jews, and at the time there 
were 2 Jews amongst the 3 Selectmen.]

At one point I alluded to the whole problem with the late Police Chief, 
but finally after a lot of abuse to a few Specials, he got the complete 
run down and this jerk was punished (not specifically for the 
anti-semitism, but a lot of physical and mental abuse leveled at two 
particular Specials, one Jew and one non-Jew). Unfortunately, this 
slackard is still on the force. He even had the gall to stop me one day 
and ask me to fix the Union's coffee pot which burned up a resistor!

He feeds the anti-semitic attitudes of some of the other officers. I think 
he does it to be "cool", but no-one has any respect for him (not even the
Townspeople). 

As for Jews in Russia, check back in this Notesfile. I know that Leo Simon 
has explained some of his past in USSR. Peter Sheyner is also a Russian 
Jew who finally emigrated to the US. [I think that he is on REX::.]

Len
62.3LSMVAX::ROSENBLUHFri Jan 17 1986 11:0717
Boston Action for Soviet Jewry
24 Crescent Street
Waltham, MA 02154
(617)-893-2331

You can call and ask for a copy of their newsletter.  They need general 
volunteer help and participation in programs to Adopt-A-Family,
Bar/Bat Mitzvah 'Twinning', letter writing, fund raising.

Union of Councils for Soviet Jews
1411 K Street, N.W., Suite 402
Washington, D.C. 20005

They also have a newsletter.  

						Kathy

62.4CADCAM::MAHLERFri Jan 17 1986 11:278
	I believe this note already exists.

	Plese continue there and I will move these notes to
	that one.

	"GRand high exhaulted mystic moderator."

62.5ELWOOD::SIMONFri Jan 17 1986 17:3770
I also watched the show but there was nothing new for me.  I grew up in 
the Soviet Union and left it for the US about five years ago.  On the 
show I saw familiar places, like Moscow synagogue (the only synagogue 
for about 200 - 300k Jews in Moscow, the exact number is kept secret), 
even some faces were familiar.  Like they said in the show, the Six Day 
war gave a push to awakening of national self-awareness.  Many Jews in 
Moscow realized that we are no longer the people who were always 
beaten, abused and killed, but a great nation!  

From that moment on 
emigration started.  But the process had a drawback.  The more Jews 
were leaving, the worst the government attitude became.  "Positive 
feedback".  Foe Jewish kids it became increasingly more difficult to 
get admitted to colleges, for engineers -- more difficult to find a 
job, etc.  But the crowd at the synagogue at high holidays grew larger 
and larger.  The majority of the Jews are non-believers, but they still 
wanted to come to the only place in the city where they could express 
their feelings open, among thousands who got together.  Still there was 
always some tension because of the police around, both uniformed and 
plainclothed.

The street where the synagogue is located is very narrow, without 
traffic.  I remember one holiday when the traffic police re-routed all 
the traffic from a major road to this little street to make the crowd 
disperse.  They succeeded, but the presence of Western camera crews 
forced the police not to do it again -- there was a lot of publicity to 
this fact on the Voice of America and BBC.

The cantor in the synagogue happen to be from the same village as 
my father.  But even without him everybody in Moscow knows that the 
rabbi cooperates with KGB.  The so-called Religious Council -- the 
governmental agency dealing with religion -- controls by KGB.  That's 
why all Hebrew teachers got jailed -- the study groups always have KGB 
insiders.  The guy whom you saw in the show, standing at the shelf with 
"4000 books no longer needed" is one of these guy, from the Council.

One of the worst things in the USSR regarding anti-Semitism, are these 
"anti-zionist committees".  Except the Jews, nobody there knows what 
Zionism is.  Since there is no other sources of information besides 
governmental, people truly believe that Zionism is a kind of racism and 
fascism.  They are brainwashed to believe that Israel and Soviet Jews 
together have a common purpose:  To destroy the USSR!  In order to 
reinforce this belief the authority created those committees.  You 
should though keep in mind that people there are not necessarily 
anti-Semites.  I'd like to know what you will do when you are told: 
"That's your speech, read it in front of the TV cameras.  If you 
refuse,  forget about a good job.  Forget also about a job at all.  And 
tell your family to do the same".  I wonder who have guts to refuse 
after that.

I also was a refusnik for more then two years.  At the time it seemed 
very long.  They fired me from my job, not to work there is crime 
punishable by law, I believe to five years in prison and a few years in 
exile.  I had to work under the table, and fortunately I was not 
caught.  But last September my friend left Russia.  We applied for 
emigration the same day.  It took him seven years.  My other friend, 
who also applied with us, is still there.

I can talk for hours about this, and I did it before.  Not any more as 
a rule.  The reason is that mostly people here say that since I hate 
the Soviet regime, I am biased and my story is not completely true.  To 
try to change that point of view is useless.  I don't even try.  There 
is a lot of talk about South Africa, which is necessary, of course, but 
there is not much being done about the country where ALL the people are 
slaves, and the Jews are even worse then that.

But for you guys reading this notesfile I can answer any question since 
YOU know what we are talking about.

Leo Simon
62.6ELWOOD::SIMONWed Jan 22 1986 11:51133
Below is the message I sent to n.r.j. on the USENET.  You might find 
it interesting.

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After I posted my original article on the net, I receive a letter 
showing a typical American attitude for the matter which is quite 
normal.  First I was going to answer but then I thought that other 
people might want to know more about the Soviet Union and decided 
to post it here.  Since I don't have the author's permission to 
quote his letter, I'll do with a few lines from it.

>I ... have good reason to distrust a lot of what I read in
>the Western press.  However I have no idea whether the accounts
>of life in the Soviet Union are accurate or not.  We hear much
>talk of the Evil Empire, oppression, lack of freedoms.  

>...whether you can see any areas in which Soviet society is "better" 
>than American society.  The impression I have from the press here is
>that Soviet society is an unmitigated disaster, which is hard to
>believe.  


That's right, it is hard to believe.  And the Western press's accounts 
of life in the Soviet Union can hardly be called accurate.  Because the 
reality is much worse.  The reason for the misleading information is 
that the Americans will not believe the truth if they are told the truth.  
Besides, the life there is so different that American mass media tries 
to bring it to the format understandable for American mentality, and 
this is impossible.  However, since this is net.religion.jewish, I will 
have to limit myself to this side of the matter only.

You may know that every Soviet citizen has an internal passport which 
he/she must always carry.  On the first page it states your name and 
ethnic origin.  That means that if my parents are Jewish, I am also 
Jewish whether I am religious or not.  This gives the authorities 
tremendous advantages.  The first thing they ask me when I apply for a 
job, or college, or a room in a hotel, or vacuum cleaner rent, or ..., 
is my passport.  And if my passport says "Jewish", I got a problem.  
Not with a vacuum cleaner, but with finding a job.

All that I telling you here is either my own experience or people's 
whom I knew really very well, so it is not theory or exaggeration.

After I graduated from high school in Moscow, I already knew that the 
best colleges in Moscow are barring Jews.  No official regulations, of 
course.  My brother still decided to give it a try.  With two of his 
friends (one Jewish and the other Russian) he applied to one of the 
best schools in Moscow.  All three passed the tests.  Then the Jewish 
guys were rejected for health reasons, and the Russian was accepted.  
But the interesting fact was that just a few days before that the 
Russian guy was relieved from the Military duty because of his health 
and the other two were OK!

This was just an example, but that was an everyday life.  My friends 
were rejected nice jobs, when they got jobs -- rejected promotions, 
they were refused tourist visas to see other countries, etc.  All this 
comes from the Government.  If we are to speak about anti-Semitism 
among ordinary people, the Russians were always anti-Semites.  During 
late 50's and early 60's, when anti-Semitism was not that strong, many 
Jews got education, achieve good standing in the society, and now 
people cannot forgive them for it.  So it was not infrequent to hear 
something like "Get out of here and go your beloved Israel, Kike!".  
And I couldn't do anything about it because if I tried to fight, it 
would be me who will get behind the bars!  

One can get used to almost everything, but the worst time was after I 
applied for emigration.  The Soviet government does not recognize such 
a conception as emigration.  In any normal country democracy is when 
one can leave the country any time he wants.  In the Soviet Union 
democracy is when nobody wants to leave.  Really, what for:  Everybody 
knows that the best life is in Russia!  (Russian Express:  Don't leave 
home.)  The authority recognize what they call "Reunification with 
relatives living abroad".  So I had to secure an invitation from Israel 
from people I never knew, as if they were my relatives.  We applied for 
visas.  The next day I was fired from the job.  There is no place to 
file a complaint.  There is no provisions in the law that one can take 
the government or police to court.  After I waited for almost a 
year (for any reply at all!), the Soviet troops gave "brotherly help 
to the people of Afghanistan".  

A few days later I was summoned to the visa agency and a police colonel 
announced that "there was a decision that to give me and my family visas 
to go to Israel does not serve a purpose".  What purpose, whose decision?  
But he continued to repeat the same phrase again and again.  Where can I 
file a complain?  --  Nowhere.  --  Who can re-consider the "decision"?  
-- Nobody, and go away.

As you can see, I couldn't do anything.  Officially I was jobless, not 
to work there is a criminal offense, and I didn't want to go to Siberia 
instead of the West!  To survive, I worked under a table, and a few 
parcels from somebody from Denmark with clothes items which I was able 
to sell, helped us.  I knew, of course, that the parcels were sent by 
Jewish organizations, just the return address stated that they were 
from a person, not an organization.

The whole thing was terrible!  Until you know that you live in a 
prison, you don't mind.  But once you know that there is freedom, you 
can't stop thinking about getting there!  For a few years I lived in a 
prison country and all my dreams were to get to freedom!

This is only a tip of the iceberg.  I could tell you about the country 
where the laws are substituted by special instruction which public is 
not allowed to read, but to which the local authorities refer.  About 
workers at factories or construction sites drinking vodka every lunch 
break (six ounce glass at a time -- please believe me, it is true, I 
did it myself!), about standing in lines every day, for groceries, 
shoes, toilet paper (average 2 hours in lines daily), about several 
completely non-related families sharing the same apartment because of 
shortage of apartments, etc., etc.

Of course there are some good sides about the USSR.  But it is another 
story, much shorter, which I also can tell you if you are interested. 

I will be happy to answer any questions -- it may help you to 
understand the Soviet Union better than press coverage during 
Reagan-Gorbachev meeting.

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You realize of course that all of the above does not have anything to 
do with my emloyer.
62.7CADZOO::MAHLERWed Jan 22 1986 14:5818
	From a friend:


Basically everything is true. I would add to this that a). all form of
religion are prohibited in USSR, not just Jewish one.  b) Judaism is 
equated to some extreme form of Simitism of terrorist type.
In this condition Jews can't learn about there culture as it becames 
either form of religion or form of terrorism. No wonder that many Russian
Jews became 'enemies of Jews'. 
Second, I think that help is very important, but it often done in wrong way.
Some form of help that seems reasonable here can do more harm than help
over there. 
Third, there are thousands over there who are not official 'refusnics' but
suffer because they just tried to apply for visa. (applications were returned
for one reason of another) however 'enemy of state' attitude surrounds them too.Many people honestly brainwashed by state propaganda about Jews being 
agressors, wanting new war, terror and so on; spreading the truth would be
help Jews more than money over there - but this is a dream.