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Conference taveng::bagels

Title:BAGELS and other things of Jewish interest
Notice:1.0 policy, 280.0 directory, 32.0 registration
Moderator:SMURF::FENSTER
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1524
Total number of notes:18709

21.0. "Unique Opportunity RE:USSR" by CADZOO::MAHLER () Fri Sep 20 1985 17:40

There is someone in the group next to me that was born and raised
in the Soviet Union (Shhhhhhhh.....) and was "Free'd" 5 years
ago.  She is a Russian-Jew and is a very sweet women.

She has agreed to answer any of our questions but does not
have the time for NOTES, so I will realy any questions..

Anyone have any ?

Mike

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21.1SANFAN::GOODMANROFri Sep 20 1985 20:5012
       Is the population of the USSR increasing or decreasing?
       
       What is the real population of Moscow?
       
       I believe that the real answers to these questions are quite
       different from the official Pravda/USSR govt. figures, and
       would like to know from someone who has been in a better position
       than I to find out.
       
       Thanks much,
       
       Roy
21.2TAPENG::SIMONSun Sep 22 1985 15:555
I also grew up in the USSR and came to the US four years ago.  But I do have
time to answer your questions -- fooling around with the terminal late at 
night.

Leo
21.3TAPENG::SIMONSun Sep 22 1985 16:1113
I want you to caution about asking questions containing statistics.  The thing
is that I, like you, cannot count Moscow's population and have to rely on
the same sources that you do.  You will definetely get from me the answers
that differ from those of Pravda about life in Moscow, Jews, entertaining,
stores, culture, drunks on the streets, office environment, telephone, etc., 
etc.

Some of you will find the answers that they do not like, because I am a very
strong anti-communist and even more so anti-Soviet.  But this is because I 
lived in the USSR almost all my life and had a first hand experience.  But
there will be no lies or propaganda.  Try it!

Leo Simon
21.4BENSON::MAHLERTue Oct 01 1985 09:3413
This is what I havve heard from "The source":

Population of USSR is increasing but mostly for Asian part of it. They say
that russian population is decreasing - I believe this is true. There are
8+ millions are living in Moscow now and about same number are coming there
every day for work and shopping. Now, and this is just between us, I'm not
a KGB agent neither a govt. insider - so all this numbers are from the papers
and books officially published. I don't see reason to doubt these one...



Correspondingly yours, Michael

21.5ELWOOD::SIMONThu Oct 03 1985 14:336
I think the daily number of visitors to Moscow (both for work and 
shopping) is estimated at 1M people.  This is from their daily 
"Pravda", and I tend to believe since I know that Moscow public 
transportation system cannot handle more than that.  At 7 am subway 
trains are filled by people so much that when the doors open, people 
literally fall out, and I sometimes was one of them!
21.6ISWISS::CURTISTue Oct 29 1985 13:5911
Regarding population figures for Moscow: has anyone read what Bob Heinlein
had to say in EXPANDED UNIVERSE? He and his wife spent some time there (I
don't recall when) and, working substantially different algorithms, concluded
that 750K was a reasonable population. He later talked to some military-type
acquaintance, who had other data, and that man agreed with him. But I don't
know the date on that; I think it was during the Kennedy administration....

Parties interested in the details are welcome to send me mail.

Dick

21.7SANFAN::GOODMANROTue Oct 29 1985 13:018
      re .6:
      
      Ha!  Someone found my source...
      
      The point being that 750K was MUCH less than any "official"
      figures--from either East or West. 
      
      Roy
21.8DIEHRD::MAHLERMotti the ModeratorThu Oct 15 1987 12:2232

    My girlfriend [SO?  Ugh] is writing a paper about Soviet Jews
    in teh united states.  Essentially, she wants to center the
    paper around ethnicity and religion more than politics.

    The following topics will be included and i'd like help
    with some 'filler' for the outline.  This relates only to
    Soviet Jews who have emigrated to the US:

    1]	Religion

	-   Ratio of various 'sects' [for want of a better word]
	    of Judaism WITHIN the Soviet Jewish society in the US,

	-   Other

    2]	Foods

	-   Just a list of various foods specific to Soviet
	    Jews with perhaps the general Knish variety foods
	    that everyone eats anyway...8-}
    
    3]	Lifestyle
    
	- Clothing, oh, anything really.  How does 'it' differ from
	    American Jewish tradition or American lifestyle in general?

    Vague, yes, but any help will be appreciated!

						-+- Michael -+-