Conference taveng::bagels

For those making the New York/New Jersey <-----> New England trek...

The last bastion of civilisation on the way to New England is Reiner's
(I think I've got the name right) New York Style Deli on Interstate 86 
in Connecticut.  They even have Dr. Brown's Celery Soda and won't bat 
an eye if you order an Egg Cream!! It's just off of exit 96.  Well worth
stopping for, it's all BLT's with mayonnaise on white bread once you pass 
that point.

		Bob Alpert

Bob,  It's amazing how many times I have passed that sign on the interstate
and kinda laughed it off as pseudo-yid-food, but I have been there and
it IS very good.  Excellent Kasha knishes, but nothing (now way) beats
New York Pastrami ala Ben's Kosher Deli on Lawn-Guy-Land.

BTW,  Did you know a Jew dies every time someone eats a Ham on Rye with Mayo.

(%^}).

Micahel

The atmosphere/decor are definitely schlocky, but the food is 
really good.

It's run by a former Shop-Rite (New Jersey grocery store chain)
employee, a friend of mine used to work with him.  My friend has
helped "import" the Doctor Brown's up there on occasion.

This is definitely the doorpost of civilisation as we know it. On the
way to New York, a shining beacon of culinary delights to come -- on 
the way to New England, a last chance for a civilised meal before entering
Ham&Cheeze land.

		Bob A.

It's called Rheins.  It's not kosher, but it's the next
best thing to New York.  The exit numbers have changed, so
it's not at exit 96 anymore.  Going south, it's the first
exit for Vernon, Connecticut.

It's been a long time (12 years) since I lived in New York. What ever
became of Katz's Delli on Houston St. Is it still there? And what about 
Yoni Shimel's kinishes down the street?

			Shalom,
				Fred

There's a kosher restaurant/deli called Rubin's Deli in Brookline, on
N. Harvard Street.  They are only open until 8 p.m. however.  
I don't know if they serve Dr. Brown's Celery soday but they do have
Dr. Brown's Cream Soda. 

There are a couple of kosher butchers on the same block, and 2
 kosher bakeries, Kupel's and Friedman's.
They both make good bagels, although most people agree that Kupel's are
better. Kupel's are always open very very late on Saturday nights, when
they bake their bagels for the Sunday morning crush, so you can get them
very fresh, hot and tasty if you cruise by at around midnight.   

What's Jewish life like in Nashua?  Any kosher butchers?  How about
shuls?  I'm interested in knowing about orthodox, egalitarian,
traditional or right-wing conservative shuls.   (Actually, I don't think
the concept of 'traditional' shuls exists outside of the Chicago suburbs,
so strike that.)

Kathy

Waddya think, Chicago is the last bastion of Judaism ? (%^})

There are no conservative shuls up here it seems, thought the people
HERE may think they are conservative -- my New York comparisons show
different.

Mike

If I can remember all the questions....

Katz's is alive and well.  I try to hit it at least once a year (I'm due 
for another visit).

Dr. Brown's is showing up in the gourmet sections of supermarkets 
throughout the area (gourmet?).  Alexander's Supermarket on 101A (near 
Pennichuk Square) has the full selection.  Both regular and diet!

Christine GLIVET::Wolkovich (who is not jewish) has a roomate who is
involved in the start up of a new reform temple in Nashua.  She could
probably provide you with the contact.

Nashua has a long way to go before jews can really start feeling at home 
here.  I would suggest a pilgramage to the Boston suburbs for some 
relief.

Re: .4:  Correction again: It's "Reins" and it's at exit 65.

I used to go to the Reins in the Hartford Civic Center (it closed a few years
ago *sigh*).  Do they still server a bowl of pickles to nosh on while you
are waiting for your order?

					Michael

re .1

Just to be a pain, I'll make another correction :-)

Rein's is on Interstate 84 since they did away with I-86 and made it all
one Interstate (about time!  how many people looked for the turnoff?)

I also think it's a great place to stop on the way to or back from NY/NJ.
We used to stop there all the time.  I shuddered the first time I went there,
when my non-Jewish soon-to-be-ex husband ordered Genoa salami and cheese
on white :-). I've always ordered their tongue sandwich, lean, (can't find
tongue around here) and Dr. Brown's Black Cherry (sorry, I never did care
for Cel-Ray).  But these days when I drive down alone I try to break the
world's record for time to Jersey, (hard in a Sentra :-)) and just sigh as
it blurs by me (be still my watering mouth :-))

Jill

Did you know a Jew dies every time someone orders
a Genoa Salami and cheese on white ....

Micahel

I just returned from a week at the Digital facility in Marlboro and while
there I discovered in Worchester a strictly kosher Chinese/Korean takeout
food store called Ruthie's Korner run by a lady who converted over 30 
years ago. I ate there all week and it saved me the long trip to Brookline.
It's on a street called Pleasant Ave. somewhere around 1000. You can get
there easily entering town on rte 9. 

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A few corrections:  That's Pleasant STREET 
		   Worchester = Worcester  (Pronounced 'Woooooooostah')

	As a note, Water Street in that city contains mostly
	Jewish related foods.

	Hey all you TAV02 people !! Next time your around, give a call.

Micahel

There is a kosher deli in Framingham called Deli-tizer.  The extra lean 
corned beef and pastrami is out of this world.  The knishes are so-so.  
Dr. Browns, of course!  It's also a source for some "jewish" groceries 
like Fox's U-Bet.   If you head west on rt 30 from Shoppers World (where 
there is an ok deli as well) it's on the left side just before rte 30m 
merges with rte 9.  In the same little shopping area is a Kentucky Fried 
Chicken (for reference purposes only) and a jewish bakery!

I can't remember the street name, but there is also a Kosher Butcher in 
Framingham.  At least there was a couple of years ago.

re .-1

The Kosher butcher in Framingham that I think you are referring to is on
Rt. 126 going south from Rt. 9; I've driven by it but don't know anything
about it (it's on the right if you are going south).

Jill

On the way to NY, r u?  Care to make a stop in Worcester?  Water Street is
very easy to get to on the way.  There is a very nice Kosher restaurant/deli
on Water Street.  (At least there was a couple of years ago.)  They have/had
a Beef Barley soup that was great.  Anyway...

I290 West to Kelly Sq in downtown worcester. Right at top of ramp. Enter
cricle, take very first exit.  You are on Water Street. 200 feet on the left
next to the open lot (if still there).  Good Pastrami.  Total of 1 minute
from I290 to the restaurant.  Easy on easy off.  Good food.  Enjoy :^)

Bruce

ps.  No, I do not own stock, nor am I in any way related.

I believe you are refering to Weintraub's.

Michael

    From today's Boston Globe:
    
       Blumsack's, a new take-out food emporium, is planning to open by
       Thanksgiving at Coolidge Corner, Brookline, in the space now
       occupied by Jaffe's Pick-A-Chick. ... Of course, the deli stuff
       will stay.  In fact, [Larry] Blumsack asserts he'll be offering
       the largest variety of smoked fish in New England. 
       
       ...The season or the owner's whim will lead the menu in all kinds
       of directions.  "Aside from the basics," Blumsack said, "we may
       feature Cajun food one week and Japanese food another..." 
       
       Jaffe's, which is undergoing a two-week facelifting before
       reopening as Blumsack's, was a standout purveyor of bagels. Though
       Blumsack's will be doing its own thing and pushing the takeout
       trend in new directions, Larry emphasized that "we're keeping the
       bagels." 
       
     ========================================
     
     Looks like one more source for old-time Jewish food is about to
     convert to Yuppieism.  (Two weeks ago, the knishes they sold me at
     Jaffe's had changed: instead of the reasonably good ones they used to
     sell, I got the yellowish, commercial kind -- I should have known
     then.)   
     
     Rubin's (Harvard Ave.) no longer makes or sells knishes.  Is there
     no place within 50 miles of Boston to buy a proper knish??????
     
     --Don

re -.1

Looks like the opposite is happening in Worcester. An old fashoned 
Jewish grocery is opening at the corner of Park Av. and Pleasant St. 
I'm glad to see this since Whitmans and Price Rite sold out to the big 
food chains. I've heard from the owner that he will be open about 
Thanksgiving.

			Fred

Sounds GREAT !!! Where did you hear about this Fred ?

Michael

Hi out there!

  I'm a gentile and this is my first response in this file. As I love food I
thought it might be approriate to ask a question. My Mom and Dad were born in
Poland and after coming to the States in 1956, settled in Perth Amboy , N.J.
( anybody know where that is? ). She makes ( and please don't laugh ) a borscht
with not beets but Schav (sp?). I believe that it is also put out commercially
around the Jewish Holidays. Anyway, I have her recipe but can't find the schav
( in english it's sorrel ). Anybody have any clues where one can find fresh
sorrel?

                                                    Thanks,

                                                      Andy

Though certainly not kosher, the S & S Deli in Cambridge (1334 Cambridge
St.) has knishes, tongue sandwiches, and other delicacies desired by readers
of this file. They are open quite late.

--Dan

WHy is it that I can get lox on Lawn-Guy_land (sic) for
8.00/lb. whilst here I pay upwards of 13.00/lb ?

Are we being taken advantage of ?
How about kosher for Pesach products, they are a bit pricey
themselves.

Michael

If you check some of the local supermarkets, you can get Lox for $5.99-6.99/lb.
on a regular basis. I believe that the Purity Supreme in Acton falls in this
range (last I looked). 

Unfortunately, since my wife doesn't like lox, I only get my fix once a month
at a Jewish law enforcement organization meeting. :-(

Prices for Peseach goods almost appear to be price-fixed in the supermarkets,
although a Heartland can save you more than a few Shekels on Matzo and such.

If you shop in a Kosher market, you will end up paying top $$, regardless
of where it is located.
                                                     
Len

Iandoli and Big D in Worcester have Nova Lox Bits for less than $3 a pound.

		Fred  8-)

Yeah, I tried that in college.  The only thing you can do with that
is grind it in a food processor with som cream cheese, not too bad
actually.

Micahel

Fred, what's the status on that new deli in Worcester ? If I remember,
the corner of Pleasant and Park has Blue Jeans, Exxon , Elm Drugs ?

Michael

re -.1

The new grocery is next to Elm Drug. For now it is only open a few days a
week until it is fully stocked. Also, I'm not sure if the kosher meat counter
is open yet. I will probably pop my head in some time tonight to see what
is doing.

			Fred

This is what used to be Economy foods isn't it ?

BTW, I used to live on top of Elm Drugs during college.
What a divey place that was.  Used to party on the roof of
the food store.

Also, accross the street is Mediteranean foods -- a good place to 
find all those strange wheats and flour.

Michael

Oh, wow! So there's bagels & lox on one side of the street, and grape leaves
and tahini on the other! It sounds almost good enough to get me to move
back there.....

Dick

It would take more than that for me.

8^}

Michael

What are their hours?  are they open on Sundays?

Jack

    	As far as the grocery is concerned, forget it till mid 
        January. I was there last night and the only shelves that are 
        stocked are the ones behind the register. The meat department 
        is not open yet and parts of the store are still under 
        construction. For now their hours are Thursday 5pm to 9pm and 
        Sunday afternoon.
    
    	I hope they open the meat department soon. When Cohen closed 
        two weeks ago we stocked up on meat. I wouldn't want to go all 
        the way to Springfield for meat (they have better prices than 
        Boston).
    
                                Fred

There is a new Kosher Butcher moving into Worcester. It is The Butcherie
Super Store, 505 Pleasant St.

It is a clone of The Butcherie II near where I live.

Len

    There's a O-U supervised kosher deli in New Haven, CT called "Abel's".
    From here take 90 west to 84/86 west to 91 south to exit #17, route 15
    (Wilbur Cross Parkway, a.k.a. Merritt Parkway).  Get off the Wilbur
    Cross at exit 60, in Hamden.  Left (I think; you should head north).
    It's about 1/4 mile on your left, in the first BIG shopping center.
    (120 miles from Littleton or Waltham).
    
    They serve good deli, knishes, and have good dinner selections.
    They also have frozen entrees made in Abel's kitchen.  It's the
    ONLY supervised kosher restaurant in Connecticut!
    
    Rubin's (meat) and Cafe Shalom (dairy), both on Harvard St. in
    Brookline are VH supervised kosher.  
    
    The Delitizer chain (The one in Framingham near rte 126 CLOSED, the
    only other one I know of is in Newton on Beacon Street near the Star
    Kosher Butcher) may serve kosher food, but it is not supervised by a
    recognized Rabbi. Delitizers are open on Shabbat (if that matters) and
    serve both meat and dairy.  If you ask for a meat sandwich with
    cheese, they bring the cheese on a separate plate.  They explain
    their kashrut philosophy in the back of each menu; you can judge
    for yourself.
    
    Incidentally, the Star Kosher Market on Beacon Street in Newton is one
    of the few that kashers (i.e., salts and soaks all of it's meat
    products).  That'll save you some time in the kitchen!
    
    Dave

    Hurwitz's butcher shop, on route 126 in Framingham, kashers all
    their meat also - that is why I buy from them; I'm a busy person
    too (and you all remember that we only keep kosher during Passover
    - which is why I am so exhausted today; I spent Patriot's Day scouring
    the oven, defrosting the freezer, washing the windows, cleaning
    the bathroom...with more to do tonight!).  The people at Hurwitz's
    have good memories also - they only see me the week before Pesach
    each year, but they remember that I want lamb chops cut with a pocket
    which we always eat the Shabbt evening during the holiday, and that
    I always order two ducklings.  Nice people, but expensive.
    
    /Charlotte

	How is Kosher meats raised, killed, and packaged? I have
	seen how non-Kosher meats are raised, etc, and am put off
	by it.

	 Thanks for any and all info,
	-Tom Rezucha

    Deli-Land in Stamford, Ct. is also supervised. You get off at Exit
    35 (High Ridge Rd.) on the Merritt and go south about 1 mile, and
    it is on the right. Yes, they have Dr. Brown's, plus outrageous
    meatball and steak&pepper wedges.

    Please ignore Mahler's comment on no Conservative Temples in
    Nashua.  He knows not where he speaks.  There is an excellent
    Temple in Nashua on Raymond Street (off of Courtland which is off
    of Concord St).  They have an excellent rabbi also.  Gabriel Ben-Or.
    
    Lynne

    TO MR. MAHLER'S COMMENT ON "NO CONSERVATIVE SHULS IN NASHUA"
    HE PROBABLY HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN TO TEMPLE BETH ABRAHAM AND FOR
    SURE HAS NEVER SPOKEN TO RABBI GABRIEL BEN-OR.

    See you at Pesach.

    Glad to hear it.  Too bad you missed the high holidays.  It
    was standing room only.

    Doesn't Beth Abraham have Shabbat services, too?

    Good Idea. Yes, they do have Shabbat services Friday at 8:15 
    and Saturday morning at 9:30.  

    Services start at 8:00 PM on Friday nights.  The first Friday night
    service of each month is geared to the children and begin at 7:30.

Hi.  I love a good deli, but I live in Colorado and can't find one.
Does anyone know of a good deli here in the mountains?  Thanks.

/Mike

    There is an excellent deli in Boulder called "The New York Deli".
    It is located on the Pearl Street mall.  I have no idea about whether
    or not it's kosher, but the food's great.
    
    Steve
    

    In spite of what they say, there are some pretty decent Kosher Deli's,
    even Glatt Kosher, in New Joisey (Manhattan is our suburb, ask any
    native Jerseyite!).
    
    Only problem, it's one hell of a schlep from the Mill or vacinity.
    
    Come on down, you may be plesently surprised.  We even can make one
    hell of an Egg Cream.
    
    Mark Sachs
    (Moshe Pippick,  KRAM to my "family" in Hertzliya)
                                      

    Glad to see someone mention Abel's deli in Hamden, CT  - they are
    good and kosher, although they do get a bit crowded on Sundays,
    and they are, like every place else, short-staffed.  They do have
    take-out as well; most of their meals are meat, but they sell the
    fish dishes [lox, whitefish, etc] to go.  And they do have Dr. Brown's
    sodas!  They've just added a bakery section -- it wasn't opened
    yet 3 weeks ago (my folks live about 1.5 miles from the deli), and
    since they will be closed for Pesach, I'm not sure if they'll open
    before.  They also have the Joyva halvah, both plain and chocolate
    covered, as well as the chocolate covered jelly bars.  It's in the
    Hamden Plaza, which can also be reached from I-91: take exit 10
    (Hamden-Mt. Carmel), take the first exit off the exit(!), 2 lefts
    and a right onto Dixwell Ave, and follow Dixwell till you see the
    Plaza -- the third shopping center on the right, just before the
    high school.  They aren't open on the Sabbath, for those of us who
    travel on Saturdays.
    
    Lender's also has a restaurant, in the same area.  It's now called
    "ESS KINDER".  I know, Lender's frozen bagels aren't anything much.
     But when you can buy them still warm from the oven...and they now
    have a challah bagel that my husband dotes on.  From the Wilber
    Cross/Meritt exit 60 it's in front of Caldor on the left, from I-91
    it's in the first shopping center on the right.
    
    For knishes in this area, try the Bagel Baker in Sudbury, on Rt.
    20.  My husband tells me they're pretty good, even defrosted and
    reheated.  They have several kinds.  And their bagels are the best
    in the area, I feel.  They also have all of the spreads, and will
    make a sandwich for you at very reasonable prices.  Bialey's too.

    Anyone knows if "Ruths's kitchen" out in Worcester is still open.
    It looked very closed when I went past this week.
    
    Thanks
    						..... Monty

    [ - Aharon    I  thoght it would save me having to go into  Brookline
    to eat ..... give me more time to study !!!!]

                              -< Ruths's kitchen >-
    It looked very closed when I went past this week.

    Did you go by on Monday?  I think they're closed that day.

    What's the scoop on this Butcherie place in Worcester?
    Is it open yet?  WHERE EXACTLY is Ruth's kitchen?
    Tatnuck Square?

    The Butcherie in Worcester has come, and alas, has long gone. It
    was open for but a short time. They tried to have too large a facility,
    and the community was not able to support it.
    
    Ruth's kitchen, to the best of my knowledge, is open. I believe they
    have take out only, or at best, a few small tables. She is located at
    1098 Pleasant Street, near Tatnuck Square. The phone number is
    754-2450. If you need directions to get there, let me know.
    
    Jack
     
    

    Thanx, I know the area.

Well, I have not seen it mentioned, but one (actually, 2) very good place
is the Milk Street Cafe, one at 50 Milk St. in Boston, and the other one
at 195 Main St. in Cambridge.  Both are cafeteria style, veggie/dairy and kind of u
of upscale prices.  To tell you the truth, they are pretty darned expensive.
But the food is, almost without exception, out of this world, and they have
really good pastry in the morning.  They also make their own breads there.

BTW, while we are on the subject of food...

Perhaps this belongs in the bagels section, but...

If you shop at Kupels in Brookline, PLEASE be aware that the Vaad
Haabronim is in violation of halachic law in giving them certification, in that 
bread is supposed to be pareve, and they are considered a dairy store.
If you want strictly pareve fresh-baked, the place to go is the
Taam Tuv bakery, about 6 blocks up the street on Harvard St.

Anyway, if dairy bread does not bother you, then Kupel's is a fine bakery.
And their bagels are good New England Bagels, which makes them New York
Hockey Pucks but better than frozen.

Questions, comments or flames, feel free to call me or write me at:

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Chuck Stern

>If you shop at Kupels in Brookline, PLEASE be aware that the Vaad
>Haabronim is in violation of halachic law in giving them certification, in that 
>bread is supposed to be pareve, and they are considered a dairy store.
>If you want strictly pareve fresh-baked, the place to go is the
>Taam Tuv bakery, about 6 blocks up the street on Harvard St.

    Shalom Chuck,

    You are right that there are problems with their certification but I
    don't believe from the dairy aspect.  As far as I know they are using
    different pans for the bread than for the baked goods with dairy in
    them.  (I could be wrong, but that is the impression I have   8^{).

    The other problem is that a non-Jewish bakery can get a hechsher even
    if they bake on Shabbat.  A Jewish bakery probably should not.  However,
    the practice of the Vaad is to give a hechsher to Jewish owned bakeries
    which use kosher ingredients and are closed for Pesach.

    L'hit,
    Gavriel

    
     Not meaning to beat a dead bagel, but...  Strictly-strictly speaking,
    I think, the fact that the pans used to bake pareve-ingredient bagels
    are different than the pans used to bake dairy-ingredient baked
    goods is not the only problem; the stuff is all cooked in the same
    oven.  This is the same problem Entenmann's had a few years ago;
    their chocolate chip cookies have only pareve ingredients, but are
    baked in the same milchig ovens as their dairy products, so the
    certification is DAIRY.  The reason being that part of the kashrut
    is contingent not only upon ingredients, but upon temperature: Heat
    is a conductor of milchigness and fleishigness of food (and treifness
    too, for that matter), so ANYTHING baked in a dairy oven is dairy,
    whether or not it's REALLY dairy.  This is why very observant people
    don't eat hot vegetarian food in restaurants: cold food is OK, but
    cold doesn't transmit treifness or whatever, but hot food has absorbed
    whatever qualities might have been in the oven.  (This sounds stranger
    in print than I realized...)  Don't think too hard about what this
    does for those of us who try to keep kosher homes but can only afford
    one OVEN-- (some people cover either their dairy or meat baking
    with tinfoil to keep the treif out; others try not to think about
    this particular issue too much.)
    
    BTW, I just joined DEC and wondered why BAGLES NOTES wasn't listed
    in the benefits book...    --Fern
    

    Another pareve only bakery (though not shomer Shabbas) is Diamond
    in Newton, next door to Delitizer on Beacon St.  Great pastries.
    

< Note 3.57 by IAGO::SCHOELLER "Dick (Gavriel ben Avraham) Schoeller" >
          -< Multi-problems but the bagels are good (for Boston 8^{) >-

>If you shop at Kupels in Brookline, PLEASE be aware that the Vaad
>Haabronim is in violation of halachic law in giving them certification, in that 
>bread is supposed to be pareve, and they are considered a dairy store.
>If you want strictly pareve fresh-baked, the place to go is the
>Taam Tuv bakery, about 6 blocks up the street on Harvard St.

    Shalom Chuck,


    As far as I know they are using
    different pans for the bread than for the baked goods with dairy in
    them.  (I could be wrong, but that is the impression I have   8^{).

True, but they are 
1)  Slicing  danish  (which  are  definitely  dairy) (e.g.  bobkas, cinnamon
loaves) and bread on the same slicing machine.

2) Using  the  same  ovens  (not  bad  in  and  of  itself)  with everything
uncovered  (I  don't  know  what  the halachic restrictions are on this) for
bread and pastry.

3) PERHAPS  (I'm  not  sure  about this one, since the VH certification says
that Danish/pastry/cakes are milchig) using the same utensils.

    The other problem is that a non-Jewish bakery can get a hechsher even
    if they bake on Shabbat.  A Jewish bakery probably should not.  However,
    the practice of the Vaad is to give a hechsher to Jewish owned bakeries
    which use kosher ingredients and are closed for Pesach.

True- look at Friedman's.

    L'hit,
    Gavriel

Chuck

    Does anyone know of any GOOD kosher deli's in the Santa Clara, CA
    area.  I've been to a couple here and they're lousy.  Haven't found
    anything here like Katz's on Jerome Ave. in the Bronx, or even like
    Epstein's in Yonkers (I grew up in NY).
    
    John

>              -< Kosher deli in Silicon Valley or San Francisco? >-
>
>    Does anyone know of any GOOD kosher deli's in the Santa Clara, CA
>    area.  I've been to a couple here and they're lousy.  Haven't found
>    anything here like Katz's on Jerome Ave. in the Bronx, or even like
>    Epstein's in Yonkers (I grew up in NY).
    
	I believe that there are NO kosher restaurants in the valley, of
	any kind.

	There are three, I believe,  "kosher" restaurants in SF. 
	"Lotus Garden" (Chinese veggie; Conservative supervision), 
	"Shangri-la" (Chinese veggie, no supervision as I recall), 
	"Vegi-foods" (veggie, no supervision, again, as I recall).

	Nothing in San Jose, Santa Clara, Palo Alto, etc.

	In this repect, among others  :-)  :-)  , California ain't New York.

	You might call Chabad in Palo Alto and make individual arrangements.
	They'll probably be pretty accomodating.	

/don feinberg

    Hi!  I'm also in The Silly-Clone Valley and looking for a reasonably
    close facsimile to a REAL Jewish Deli.  There is one in San Francisco
    (although not kosher), David's on either Taylor or Geary, and one
    in Burlingame (also not kosher) Brothers.  Brothers actually used
    to be run by a Jewish family, however they were bought out by a
    Chinese family who were smart enough to use the same recipies. 
    Unfortunately, there is nothing closer to Santa Clara (that I've
    found).
    
    Shalom,
    Sharon Fiekowsky
    WCSM::FIEKOWSKY

    Has anyone tried the reasonably new, allegedly Kosher deli and Chinese
    Restaurant in Natick, MA, Chow Goldstein?
    
    It's at the Crowne Plaza on Rt. 9, and we took a look at the menu
    while on our way to a wedding there.  It looks interesting; where
    else can you get corned beef or moo shi duck?  I don't know if it's
    supervised kosher or what, but it looked interesting (if a bit out of
    the way for us).

    Besides, I like the name.

re:  .-1
>                        -< Anyone try Chow Goldstein? >-

>    Has anyone tried the reasonably new, allegedly Kosher deli and Chinese
>    Restaurant in Natick, MA, Chow Goldstein?

	That tickles me.  And reminded me of a glatt-Chinese-cum-deli
	restaurant in Montreal, which is quite good. Forgot the
	name at the moment, but it's also cute.

/don feinberg

Re: .64:

I believe Chow Goldstein is Kosher-STYLE, not actually Kosher.
Check your local authority to be sure.

Re: .65:

The Montreal restaurant is named Deli-Peking and is definitely Kosher.
Also very good food.  Their buffet meal was one of the best I've
ever eaten.  Highly recommended.  Location:  near Decarie stop on
the Metro, in a new shopping mall, lower level.

    Just had another great meal at Bernstein's-on-Essex-Street last
    weekend in New York, the ORIGINAL [Glatt] Kosher Chinese Restaurant.
    It's worth it just for the Chinese waiters with yarmulkes (I didn't
    ask, but they're probably Jewish).  There's also a Hunan restaurant
    on Cedar Lane in Teaneck, NJ (a community that's getting frummer
    by the minute) that is owned by non-Jewish Chinese folks, but kept
    absolutely kosher for good economic reasons!
    
    Kosher Chinese food is "unusual" only if you're not from New York,
    I guess.

    Chow Goldstein's is what happens sometimes when you combine two good
    things -- especially two things that definitely don't mix.  We tried it
    when it first opened and thought the Chinese restaurants have much
    better Chinese food and the deli's have much better deli.
    
    Yes, I do believe that it is Kosher-"style", not Kosher.

    I've eaten at Bernstein's in New York, and wasn't impressed with
    the food, especially for the price.
    
    It is possible to make Kosher Chinese food which would taste much
    better.
    
    The Chinese waiters were cute, and of course the bread so you can
    say hamotzie before you eat was a nice touch.
    
    				Paul
    

    What about Moshe Peking in Manhattan?  Glatt Kosher and upscale.
    

>    What about Moshe Peking in Manhattan?  Glatt Kosher and upscale.

	I've eaten there a couple of times.  So-so food, so-so service.

	Now there's this glatt Chinese restaurant in the Dan hotel
	in Tel Aviv...  :-)

/don

Ten Li Chow is glatt kosher and the food is rather good.  (Their prices
also qualify them as upscale!)

Yo-Si Pekin is glatt kosher; haven't been there, so I can't comment on the
quality of the food.

Since this is the "kosher food" note, I won't mention the good treyf Chinese
restaurants here.  :-)

    Yosi Pekin is about the same as Ten Le Chow both in quality and
    price. 
    
    There's also a cheaper place at the bottom of Hillel St. on the
    corner of Yoel Solomon St. 
    
    Cb.

>    There's also a cheaper place at the bottom of Hillel St. on the
>    corner of Yoel Solomon St. 

If you are referring to Lee's, I made the mistake of eating there once.
I would give my opinion of the food there, but this might violate corporate
guidelines concerning use of the Easynet.  Let's just say that if the food
had been free, it would not have been worth the price.

I actually *liked* Lee's on Hillel Street.

   For anyone frequenting Valbonne there is a decent kosher Chinese
   place in Nice.  It used to be called Au Roi David with a 
   "classic" menu.  It is now called Tain Lee Chai.

Have you heard the one about the man who was spending the evening in an
unfamiliar town and suddenly got a yen for some pizza? He asked arround for
the best pizza places and was directed to a certain restaurant which turned
out to be a Chinese restaurant. Confused, the man order pizza and was served
up one of the best pizzas he had ever eaten. Afterwards he asked the waiter
why a Chinese restaurant served such good pizza. The answer: "It's a Jewish
neighborhood."

Dave

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				BON APPETITE.

    the your refering to in framingham is hurwitz. have been buying
    from him for 8 years. great meat, nice family.

    re: .79
    
    Not to mention that Sam Hurwitz (the proprietor) was the Cantor at
    my Bar Mitzvah!
    
    -joel

Re: .80

>   Not to mention that Sam Hurwitz (the proprietor) was the Cantor at
>   my Bar Mitzvah!

Sounds like standard practice to me. Back in Hackensack, the shochut (sp??)
was the regular torah reader (and read at my bar mitzvah).

Dave

       Seen recently on the door of the (now-closed) Adler's Meat
       Mkt on Harvard St (across from Cafe Shalom), in paraphrase:
       
             +-------------------------------------+
             |            OPENING SOON!            |
             |                                     |
             |          Ruth's Glatt Kosher        |
             |                                     |
             |    Oriental and <mumble> Take-out   |
             +-------------------------------------+ 
       
       --Mr Topaz

    I've seen this sign since late October '87

    I recently spoke to one of Ruth's sons and they are planning to
    expand to a more Oriental style menu in Brookline.  He also talked
    about a new complex that someone is building that will be "kosher"
    and will seat 500 in Lowell (also Chinese)???????

Ruth's Kitchen is a Kosher Chinese takeout place in Worcester.  Actually,
Ruth is Korean, and their Korean specialties are the best food in the place.

According to one of her sons, they are due to open in Brookline "soon", but
I couldn't get an opening date.

That new Kosher complex due to open on the North Shore was written up
briefly in the Boston Globe.  They will have a Kosher Chinese kitchen, but
I believe it will be for catered meals only.  Hmmm, how many Boston-area
BAGELS noters are there...?

    At our temple's board meeting the other night, our Rabbi announced that
    Diamond Bakery had been caught doing naughty things and was not to be
    considered kosher any longer.  Does anybody know any more about this?

    		David

    re: .85
    
    I was not referring to the complex in Saugus that is being built
    by Weylus.  There supposedly is a guy in Lowell that is building
    a $10 million dollar facility that will seat 500 and serve kosher
    Chinese food.

    
    Diamond Bakery reportedly bought non-kosher, pre-packaged pies into the
    store, unwrapped them, disposed of the packaging, and was selling them
    as Diamond Bakery products.  (The vast majority of people I heard it
    from seemed to think it was because they got very busy and didn't have
    time to bake their own, and not wanting to disappoint their
    customers...)  Ever since this got around, they've been significantly
    less busy, i.e., empty.   I'm amazed that they would jeopardize their
    certification over something like this.  

    
    In case it wasn't clear: They *have* lost their certification from the
    Vaad over this.

    Diamond's products weren't anything to rave about, so the loss of
    their hechsher doesn't bother me.
    
    David

.90>    Diamond's products weren't anything to rave about, so the loss of
.90>    their hechsher doesn't bother me.

    	You're right, but they were the most convenient [formerly] kosher
    bakery to where I live.  Now we have to go into Newton Centre (ick--for
    the traffic, the parking, and the general high density of yuppie scum).

    			David

>.90>    Diamond's products weren't anything to rave about, so the loss of
>.90>    their hechsher doesn't bother me.

>    	You're right, but they were the most convenient [formerly] kosher
>    bakery to where I live.  Now we have to go into Newton Centre (ick--for
>    the traffic, the parking, and the general high density of yuppie scum).

You said it, I didn't (:-).

David

    Ruth's in Brookline is now open for business.  As far as I could
    see, it looks like the same variety as in Worcester.
    
    

    	So where is it located?

    		David

    I don't know the address but it is on Harvard St right across from
    Cafe Shalom (which is in the same block as Israel Bookstore).
    
    Hope that helps.  Sam
    

    the Deli-tizer is no longer in business in Framingham.   In the
    western suburbs you have to go to Worcestor, have an event in one
    of the bigger hotels (yes they claim to do kosher), or go to Brookline.
    
    or call the Chabad in Framingham...Rabbi Lazarus on Joseph Street.
    
    .....
    
    R. Rosenzweig

Try the CAFE SHALOM on Harvard Street in Brookline. They are strictly kosher,
dairy. They are closed on all jewish holidays.

Ralph

    Hello !
    
    Ness Tzionna is located between Rishon Le Tzion and Rehovot in 
    Israel.
    There is a very good Kosher Restaurant at a GAs station called "EMTZA 
    HA DERECH".
    
    Betehavon !!!!