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Title:Celt Notefile
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Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
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1584.0. "The REAL Sinn Fein" by BIS1::MENZIES (Resume the Ceasefire!!!) Wed Jun 12 1996 13:54

    Wednesday, June 12, 1996
    �Copyright: The Irish Times
    
    Sinn Fein revels in the politics of selective censure 
    
    
    By Vincent Browne 
    
    Pat Doherty, vice-president of Sinn F�in, said on RT�'s
    Questions and Answers on Monday night that he abhorred "the
    politics of condemnation". This was in answer to a straight
    question from John Bowman asking if he condemned the killing
    of Det Garda Jerry McCabe in Adare. 
    
    On BBC's Newsnight programme the same evening, Martin
    McGuinness, when asked the same question, also equivocated.
    He would not have words put in his mouth.
    
    John Bruton's dismay at such equivocation is expressive of a
    widespread sentiment. If Sinn F�in cannot condemn
    unequivocally a murder as brutal and shocking as that of Jerry
    McCabe last Friday, then how can we start to give credence to
    its declared acceptance of exclusively democratic and peaceful
    means, as required by the Mitchell report?
    
    Abhorrence of "the politics of condemnation" is a set-piece of
    Gerry Adams, and other Sinn F�in leaders as well, when asked
    if they condemn a particular IRA atrocity.
    
    Pat Doherty, Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, Mitchel
    McLaughlin and the rest of them who so regularly express such
    abhorrence of "the politics of condemnation" must have hated
    the Sinn F�in ardfheis on March 23rd and 24th last, almost
    every minute of it. Poor Martin McGuinness must have been
    retching with the "condemn" word being stuffed in his mouth
    every second minute.
    
    The following are extracts from some of the motions on the cl�r
    of that ardfheis, in each instance beginning with "That this Ard
    Fheis" (except where otherwise obvious):
    
    Motion 7: ". . . unequivocally condemns the British government
    for its intransigence and failure to pursue the path of peace".
    
    Motion 9: ". . . condemns the deliberate attempts by the British
    government establishment to undermine the efforts being made
    by the progressive forces on this island to secure a political
    settlement to the conflict".
    
    Motion 10: ". . . condemns the negative footdragging of the
    British government". (Presumably, incidentally, positive
    footdragging would be OK, or at least not so bad.)
    
    Motion 11: ". . . condemns the British government's renewal of
    the EPA (Emergency Provisions Act)."
    
    Motion 14: ". . . condemns those elements within the `main'
    churches, trade unions and others within Irish society who have
    made little or no contribution to the peace process."
    
    Motion 15: ". . . condemn(s) the failure of the churches to
    address justice and equality issues."
    
    Motion 25: ". . . condemns the ongoing occupation of East
    Timor by the Indonesian government".
    
    Motion 26: ". . . condemns the French government for its
    continuance of nuclear testing in the Pacific".
    
    Motion 29: ". . . condemns the economic policies of the Dublin
    government which have failed to address the problem of
    unemployment and which have allowed millions of pounds to
    be siphoned off by foreign multinationals".
    
    Motion 32: ". . . condemns the Dublin government's budget."
    
    Motion 34: ". . . condemns the failure of the IDB and the DoE
    to provide the 1,700 jobs which Springvale was supposed to
    bring to West Belfast."
    
    Motion 35: ". . . condemns moves to reduce the ACE
    programme in the Six Counties as a means of cutting costs."
    
    Motion 36: ". . . condemns the British government's 25 per
    cent cut in funding towards the ACE schemes."
    
    Motion 38: ". . .condemn(s) water supply cutoffs."
    
    Motion 41: ". . . condemns the use of the unionist veto by the
    British to stall the commencement of all-party talks."
    
    Motion 42: ". . . condemns the sectarian marches organised by
    the Orange Order through areas where they obviously cause
    great offence".
    
    Motion 45: ". . . expresses its . . . utter condemnation of the
    increase in fascist attacks, intimidation and abuse, including
    those directed against travellers . . and . . . directed at lesbian
    and gay people".
    
    Motion 51: ". . . condemns the British government for their
    treatment of Irish political prisoners."
    
    Motion 52: ". . . condemns the Dublin government for their
    failure to release all political prisoners despite the peace
    process".
    
    Motion 61: ". . . condemns the 26-county government for the
    way they are treating republican prisoners and their families."
    
    Abhorrent polictics of condemnation
    
    There was another interesting motion on the cl�r which also
    indulged in the abhorrent politics of condemnation. This was
    Motion 70, proposed by the Clancy/O'Callaghan Cumann in
    Limerick. This stated: "That this Ard Fheis condemns the
    threatened extradition to Britain of Nessan Quinlivan and
    Pearse McAuley." These are two well-known members of the
    republican movement in the Limerick area, wanted on
    explosive charges in England.
    
    Indeed, the same Clancy/O'Callaghan Cumann was also the
    sponsor of Motion 113 condemning the Garda for its
    "continued harassment of republicans". My attention at the
    ardfheis was drawn to this series of condemnations by a
    delegate who commented from the podium on the ubiquity of
    condemnations emanating from Sinn F�in.
    
    For this reason I paid attention to how the platform party,
    which included Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, Pat
    Doherty and Mitchel McLaughlin voted on such motions. In
    each instance, they voted unanimously in favour of those
    motions, which indulged promiscuously in the "politics of
    condemnation". Martin McGuinness did not seem in the least
    discommoded.
    
    There are probably both good and bad reasons for Sinn F�in
    equivocation over IRA atrocities. The probably good reasons
    include an anxiety to retain influence over the IRA and a desire
    not to split the republican movement - a crucial part of the
    peace process must be to envelop an undivided republican
    movement within the democratic fold, finally and conclusively,
    and clearly this cannot be done if there is a split in the
    movement.
    
    The probably bad reasons are an ambivalence on the part of
    Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness Pat Doherty, Mitchel
    McLaughlin and others towards the use of violence anyway,
    and the justification of killing people in certain circumstances.
    Alternatively, that they feel so compromised as to be morally
    neutralised vis-a-vis the IRA, and that this situation will obtain
    indefinitely.
    
    But please spare us the addition of hypocrisy to insult and
    injury in the claim that they do not engage in what they call "the
    politics of condemnation". Condemnation has become a clich�
    in the mouths of Sinn F�in, except in circumstances in which it
    might have meaning.
    
    
    � Copyright: The Irish Times
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1584.1 East where ?IAMOK::BARRYWed Jun 12 1996 15:4113
    
    Interesting.....
    
    So SF gets all wrapped around the axle over East Timor, but can't
    bring itself to condemn the senseless murder of a cop in their own
    country.
    
    Help me out with this one.....I'm really trying, but....
    
    Mike (who had to look on a map to find East Timor)
    
    
    
1584.2PLAYER::BROWNLCyclops no more!Thu Jun 13 1996 05:595
    Thanks for posting that, Shaun; much appreciated. It's interesting to
    see double-standards at work, and is, IMO, an indication of the
    enormous difficulties ahead, in trying to reach a compromise.
    
    Laurie.
1584.3PLAYER::BROWNLCyclops no more!Mon Jun 17 1996 12:221
    http://www.smart.net/~wcooke/sinnfein.html
1584.4BIS1::MENZIESResume the Ceasefire!!!Mon Jun 17 1996 12:244
    Amazing URL there Laurie....I'm glad Sinn Fein have finaly decided to
    adopt a more honest policy with regard to their activities.
    
    Shaun.
1584.5A wolf in Sheeps Clothing!BIS1::MENZIESResume the Ceasefire!!!Mon Jun 17 1996 13:1354
    Monday, June 17, 1996 
    US administration may be losing patience with Gerry Adams 
    
    From Joe Carroll, in Washington 
    
    As the strongly worded condemnations of the Manchester
    bombing by President Clinton and Senator Edward Kennedy
    show the US administration's anger with the IRA, there are
    signs that patience with Sinn Fin is also running out. The
    administration may now "give up" on the Sinn Fin president,
    Mr Gerry Adams, following the Manchester bombing, a
    Newsweek article predicts in today's issue. "If Adams cannot
    deliver the IRA, he is of little use to anyone," it says.
    
    "True, the Americans were starting to get impatient with Adams
    who kept telling them that re-instituting a ceasefire `takes time',
    but they had never quite given up on him. They may now have
    to," the article says.
    
    The strong language in the statements of President Clinton and
    Senator Kennedy singles out the "men of violence" and the
    "terrorists" of the IRA for condemnation. Mr Clinton speaks of
    this "cowardly act of terrorism" and the "viciousness" which
    deserves universal condemnation.
    
    Last week, during President Robinson's visit here, the emphasis
    from President Clinton was on hopes for an IRA ceasefire
    soon which would allow Sinn Fin into the talks. He
    "congratulated" Mr Adams on the size of the Sinn Fin vote
    and insisted it was "not a vote for violence".
    
    While Irish-American politicians have been blaming Britain for
    the hold-up in the talks, the belated endorsement of Mr George
    Mitchell as chairman was seen as giving the IRA a positive
    signal to go ahead with the ceasefire. The timing of the
    Manchester bomb is now seen as incomprehensible.
    
    Senator Kennedy's statement said pointedly that "the terrorists
    do not have the support of friends of Ireland in the United
    States. Whatever the goals of the IRA, they are gravely
    mistaken to believe they can achieve them by killing police
    officers and bombing shopping malls."
    
    In an interview in Newsweek just before the bomb exploded in
    Manchester, Mr Martin McGuinness of Sinn Fin refused to
    speculate on a ceasefire but added: "Senator Mitchell's
    presence makes a much more conducive atmosphere for
    republicans to be associated with any process he is chairing".
    
    
                               (C) Copyright: The Irish Times
                               Contact: [email protected] 
    
    
1584.6CHEFS::COOPERT1tell mum before you go somewhereWed Jun 19 1996 07:5497
    UK News Electronic Telegraph Wednesday June 19 1996
    
    By Toby Harnden in Belfast 
    
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    SINN FEIN was pushed further into the wilderness last night when the
    Irish government delivered its strongest attack on the republicans
    since the IRA ceasefire ended, expressing doubts that they were
    "capable" of pursuing peaceful democratic politics.
    
    The attack coincided with the return of troops to the streets of
    Northern Ireland yesterday as security was stepped up after the
    Manchester bombing.In London, Labour joined the Government in saying
    that the Belfast talks could continue without Sinn Fein, with Tony
    Blair emphasising that it should not expect any better treatment under
    a Labour government.
    
    Mr Blair said that Sinn Fein now faced a "moment of truth".
    
    The Prime Minister, who is expected to talk by telephone today with the
    Irish premier, John Bruton, said that he would not allow Sinn Fein to
    derail a process which could continue regardless. "It is now up to them
    to demonstrate their credibility."
    
    A two-hour meeting of the Irish cabinet to discuss the response to the
    Manchester bombing produced a marked hardening of its stance. Although
    the cabinet decided to maintain its official contact with Sinn Fein, it
    said that the question of future meetings would be "kept under review".
    
    This would depend on Gerry Adams's response to two straightforward
    questions about whether he had asked the IRA for a ceasefire and
    whether Sinn Fein continued to support the terrorists' armed struggle.
    
    The decision to maintain "limited official contact" with Sinn Fein was
    seen as a victory for Dick Spring, the foreign ministe
    
    The Dublin statement expressed "serious concern" that Sinn Fein had not
    persuaded the IRA to restore its ceasefire. The "outrages" in
    Manchester and Limerick, where an Irish detective was shot dead 12 days
    ago "provide no grounds for confidence that Sinn Fein is capable of
    pursuing normal democratic politics based on exclusively peaceful
    methods".
    
    The decision to maintain "limited official contact" with Sinn Fein was
    seen as a victory for Dick Spring, the foreign minister. Mr Bruton is
    thought to have urged a tougher line. Sources close to Mr Spring also
    sought to distance him from the two questions.
    
    Labour's response yesterday will have severely dented the view of some
    of those close to Sinn Fein that the republicans have now abandoned any
    hope of progress under the Tories and are waiting for a change of
    government in London.
    
    Mr Blair's comments were viewed as a calculated effort to dispel any
    such hopes. Speaking during Prime Minister's question time, he told MPs
    that Sinn Fein had reached a "moment of truth" as to whether it really
    wished to engage in a genuine search for peace. If there was no new
    ceasefire, the democratic political parties should move on without it.
    
    Then, in a comment which will delight Unionist MPs, Mr Blair said that
    the international community which had been quick to involve itself in
    the problems of Northern Ireland should learn from the Manchester
    bombing.
    
    "The US and others abroad have perhaps been given a telling lesson in
    the realities of the IRA," he said. Mr Blair asked Mr Major: "Isn't the
    only course now open to Sinn Fein to ensure that the IRA ceases its
    violence, or if it cannot or won't, then this process should proceed
    with the democratic parties, an agreement should be reached and put to
    a ballot of the people?
    
    He pledged that the search for a political settlement in Northern
    Ireland would continue with or without the republicans
    
    "Doesn't the responsibility now lie squarely upon Sinn Fein if they are
    to play any part at all in the future progress of peace?" Mr Major
    condemned the Manchester bombing as a "callous and inhuman act".
    
    He said: "The time has come for Sinn Fein to make up its mind. "Either
    it is going to be a democratic organisation, taking part in democratic
    politics, or it is going to stay side by side as the reverse coin of
    the IRA, with intermingled membership, in which case it has no part in
    democratic politics whatever."
    
    He pledged that the search for a political settlement in Northern
    Ireland would continue with or without the republicans. With his voice
    rising in anger, Mr Major said that what was "so startling" was the
    total indifference of the bombers to those they had injured and could
    have killed.
    
    He said that the victims were "people who had no connection whatsoever
    with the disputes that are in Ireland or the disputes the IRA may have
    with the British Government or others".
    
1584.7One and the same...BIS1::MENZIESResume the Ceasefire!!!Fri Jun 21 1996 06:5473
    
                                                                  
    FRONT PAGE - Friday, June 21, 1996
    
    RUC warns of loyalist reaction if IRA hits North 
    
    (C) Irish Times 
    
    
    By Geraldine Kennedy, Dick Grogan and Paddy Smyth 
    
    The RUC Chief Constable, Sir Hugh Annesley, has predicted
    immediate loyalist retaliation if there are any IRA attacks in the
    North. His warning came as the Taoiseach and the British
    Prime Minister prepared to meet today in Florence. 
    
    Mr Bruton again challenged Mr Gerry Adams, the Sinn Fein
    president, to say that his party no longer supports the IRA's
    use of violence. He indicated that Mr Adams's response in an
    article in yesterday's to questions posed by the Government to
    Sinn Fein was inadequate. In Florence, where the EU summit
    starts today, the Tanaiste, Mr Spring, said last night that Sir
    Hugh's prediction that loyalists would attack the Republic if the
    IRA campaign resumed in the North was a "realistic security
    assessment".
    
    He said loyalists had behaved in a "stoic and responsible way
    since their ceasefire in October 1994 despite provocation". He
    hoped they would continue to show restraint and stay in the
    talks. It was important they should not be provoked. He said
    the multi-party talks would continue.
    
    Referring to the Sinn Fein stance on the IRA's "armed
    struggle", Mr Bruton said Mr Adams had stated he did not
    advocate violence. The IRA itself did not advocate violence
    either. It used it like any bully as long as it was not getting its
    way. On whether Sinn Fein asked the IRA to restore the
    ceasefire, Mr Bruton acknowledged that the Government knew
    Sinn Fein had ongoing contact with the IRA. The two
    organisations were associated and were in regular contact. The
    Taoiseach said: "Now, I'm asking them, have they gone to the
    IRA to ask for a ceasefire? And will they go to the IRA to ask
    for a ceasefire? That question hasn't been answered."
    
    Speaking in Belfast at the publication of the RUC annual report
    for 1995, Sir Hugh Annesley said the current security situation
    was "worrying and unsettled".
    
    It was conceivable that there could be a short, sharp campaign
    of violence across the North and affecting potentially the
    Republic and Britain. If this happened, however, his view was
    that it would be relatively short-lived. The Chief Constable said
    he believed it would not take much at this point to push the
    loyalist paramilitaries over the edge.
    
    It was extremely difficult at the moment to read the mind of the
    IRA, he said. He believed that at the top of the republican
    movement, the IRA and Sinn Fein were "inextricably linked".
    He said: "I believe Messrs Adams and McGuinness are very,
    very influential people and I think they have a major say in the
    conduct overall of the republican thrust."
    
    He added: "There are people in Sinn Fein who devote
    themselves purely to politics. But the control of the movement
    at the top is closely linked. There are members of Provisional
    Sinn Fein who are on the army council, and there are members
    of the army council who are on the political talks level of Sinn
    Fein."
    
    Sinn Fein's national chairman, Mr Mitchel McLaughlin, said Sir
    Hugh's claim lacked credibility.
    
    (c) Irish Times
1584.8TERRI::SIMONSemper in ExcernereFri Jun 21 1996 07:591
Sinn Fein and the IRA do not want peace, they want control.
1584.9CHEFS::COOPERT1tell mum before you go somewhereFri Jun 21 1996 08:044
    That just about sums it up Simon.
    
    
    CHARLEY
1584.10Yeah Right !TERRI::SIMONSemper in ExcernereThu Oct 03 1996 08:4816
1584.11Bang Bang Bang --- "Stop armed police!"TAGART::EDDIEEasy doesn't do itFri Oct 04 1996 05:109
1584.12CHEFS::UKARCHIVINGdickie. Marmite. Nein DankeFri Oct 04 1996 05:2715
1584.13another martyr for old Ireland?ESSC::KMANNERINGSFri Oct 04 1996 09:0411
1584.14METSYS::THOMPSONFri Oct 04 1996 09:1715
1584.15worsening standardsTAGART::EDDIEEasy doesn't do itFri Oct 04 1996 09:2011
1584.16METSYS::BENNETTStraight no chaser..Fri Oct 04 1996 10:336