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Conference tallis::celt

Title:	Celt Notefile

Moderator:	TALLIS::DARCY

Created:	Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:	Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	1632
Total number of notes:	20523

1570.0. "Birmingham 6 compensation?" by XSTACY::JLUNDON (http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)) Tue Apr 30 1996 04:21

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                          THE IRISH EMIGRANT
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Editor: Liam Ferrie         April 29, 1996                 Issue No.482
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- The Birmingham Six are said to be furious at the final offer of up to 
  Stg400k in compensation for the sixteen years they were kept in 
  prison for a crime they did not commit.  Some lawyers had predicted 
  settlements running into seven figures but Paddy Hill was offered 
  Stg316k.  The awards will be appealed in the High Court and, if this 
  fails, to the European Court of Human Rights.  Some Conservative MPs 
  are unhappy that they are receiving any compensation at all.  One 
  claimed that "They have been treated with great fairness and they are 
  trying to make a laughing stock of the British nation".

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I suppose it would serve the Birmingham Six right if they got another
16 years for have the audacity of demanding compensation for wrongful
imprisonment according the the person quoted at the end of this article?

                         James.

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
1570.1		CHEFS::COOPERT1	Rorkes Drift on the Pool Table	`Tue Apr 30 1996 06:28`	12
	>"They have been treated with great fairness and they are >trying to make a laughing stock of the British nation". I bet you actually believe that an M.P. actually said that don't you? >wrongful arrest. According to some. CHARLEY
1570.2		XSTACY::JLUNDON	http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)	`Tue Apr 30 1996 08:08`	9
	Re -1 CHARLEY, I don't think Liam Ferrie (formerly of this parish) would publish anything that didn't have a basis in fact? Can anyone prove otherwise? James.
1570.3		MOVIES::POTTER	http://www.vmse.edo.dec.com/~potter/	`Tue Apr 30 1996 09:14`	7
	I'm always suspicious of opinions that have no name attached to them. Either they are made up, or the person saying them is acting (IMO) dishonourably and probably dishonestly. Either way, they're worthless //atp
1570.4	Facts, please....	IAMOK::BARRY		`Tue Apr 30 1996 14:13`	12
	0.1 CHARLEY, According to some....? Any facts to support what seems to be your contention that the Birmingham Six were not wrongfully arrested? Mike
1570.5		CHEFS::COOPERT1	So many Students..so few Bullets	`Wed May 01 1996 05:59`	7
	No, no facts. Just an educated opinion that the six were responsible in some way for the bombing. CHARLEY
1570.6		XSTACY::JLUNDON	http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)	`Wed May 01 1996 06:51`	13
	> Just an educated opinion that the six were responsible > in some way for the bombing. Charles, They've only had 20 years to prove a link between the bombings and the 6. I would think, if they had been involved, they would have gotten something by now - not that they haven't tried by hook or by crook to lay it at their doors enough times. I suppose if you throw enough sh*t at the wall some must stick eventually? James.
1570.7	the truth shines through	BELFST::ARMSTRONG	Whatever you say, say nothing.	`Wed May 01 1996 07:55`	6
	Charley You have just proved to me that you are a total BIGOT. Tom.
1570.8	Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha	TAGART::EDDIE	Easy doesn't do it	`Wed May 01 1996 08:03`	10
	Re .5 CHARLEY, Don't you go letting trivial things like facts get in the way of your "educated opinion". Pray tell, from which "Ivy League" institution did you gain such an education ? ... "The Sun" perhaps ? Thanks, CHARLEY. This conference has been needing a good laugh for ages.
1570.9		CHEFS::COOPERT1	So many Students..so few Bullets	`Wed May 01 1996 08:28`	8
	.7 >You have just proved to me that you are a total BIGOT. Pray tell, how? CHARLEY
1570.10		CHEFS::COOPERT1	So many Students..so few Bullets	`Wed May 01 1996 08:29`	6
	.8 This conference does need a good laugh, glad to ssee you're back. CHARLEY
1570.11		CHEFS::COOPERT1	So many Students..so few Bullets	`Wed May 01 1996 08:35`	7
	Just to calm the bandwagon jumpers down. James, could you post circumstances that instigated the release of the 6. I seems that I am not in full possession of the facts. Thankyou. CHARLEY
1570.12		CHEFS::COOPERT1	So many Students..so few Bullets	`Wed May 01 1996 10:20`	6
	.7 Still waiting Tom. CHARLEY
1570.13		XSTACY::JLUNDON	http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)	`Wed May 01 1996 11:56`	7
	> James, could you post circumstances that instigated the release of the > 6. I seems that I am not in full possession of the facts. Thankyou. I will endeavour to find out for you and the notesfile in general. James.
1570.14		CHEFS::COOPERT1	So many Students..so few Bullets	`Wed May 01 1996 12:04`	4
	Thanks. CHARLEY
1570.15		METSYS::BENNETT	Straight no chaser..	`Wed May 01 1996 12:31`	33
	Just sticking my head above the parapet here.. I think the circumstances involved (at least in part) the evidence submitted as valid by a senior forensic scientist. It was admitted many years later that the concentration of some kind of caustic reagent used in the detection of small traces of explosive was wrong by a factor of 10. (10 times stronger, or 10 times weaker, I forget.) I believe also that his evidence on behalf of the prosecution in other unrelated cases was also found to be faulty. He resigned from the service under a bit of a dark cloud. If my memory is correct, his faulty test would show a positive result when used on the hands of someone who had recently handled a new pack of playing cards, or a pack of cigarettes. Electrostatic validation of handwritten police documents were also found not to have been "contemporaneous" with interviews of the suspects. Also, there is little doubt that suspects were subjected to extreme physical duress, and recognition of that as fact placed severe doubt on the integrity of their "confessions". Robert Kee, the TV journalist and writer is a good source for information on the history of the case. Hope that helps, John
1570.16		CHEFS::COOPERT1	So many Students..so few Bullets	`Wed May 01 1996 12:48`	7
	Thankyou John. I withdraw notes .1 and .5 with apologies to all noters and all concerned. CHARLEY
1570.17		METSYS::BENNETT	Straight no chaser..	`Wed May 01 1996 13:00`	8
	You're very welcome CHARLEY. I'll be dropping you a line or two on the question of thirst, and a resort to the dark and the golden throat lubricants.. All the best, John
1570.18		CHEFS::COOPERT1	So many Students..so few Bullets	`Wed May 01 1996 13:21`	4
	Oh go on then...twist my arm. CHARLEY
1570.19		BIS1::MENZIES	Resume the Ceasefire!!!	`Wed May 01 1996 13:43`	4
	If only Mark Holohan could have the courage and maturity to retract his comments from time to time. Shaun.
1570.20	Dame Jill Knight	XSTACY::JLUNDON	http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)	`Thu May 02 1996 05:30`	34
	Some dame this woman is :-(. James. ++ From: VBORMC::"[email protected]" "Liam Ferrie" 1-MAY-1996 20:22:57.37 To: "Only fools and fanatics are certain; the rest of us aren't sure 01-May-1996 1600 +0100" <[email protected]> CC: Subj: Re: Question about IE. 482 James, Thanks for your memo. Liam took the item from the Irish Times of Tueday, April 23, and the MP who was doing all the giving out was Dame Jill Knight, MP for Birmingham. The article also states that "several Conservative backbecchers suggested the six should not receive any compensation." I hope this gets you off the hook. Incidentally, did you know that you are mentioned in the "Words We Use" book I reviewed this week in the Book Review? Regards, Pauline =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Irish Emigrant Liam Ferrie Pauline Ferrie Cathedral Building, Middle Street, Galway, Ireland email: [email protected] Office:(353)91-569158 Home:(353)91-767534 Fax:(353)91-569178 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
1570.21		MOVIES::POTTER	http://www.vmse.edo.dec.com/~potter/	`Thu May 02 1996 05:47`	4
	In which case, I can only opine that it was a damned stupid thing to say. regards, //alan
1570.22		CHEFS::COOPERT1	So many Students..so few Bullets	`Thu May 02 1996 05:59`	4
	Same as that. CHARLEY
1570.23	I stand corrected....	IAMOK::BARRY		`Thu May 02 1996 08:57`	10
	CHARLEY, I have to agree with Shaun. I had expected a Holohan-type refusal by you to acknowledge that what you said was inappropriate (at best). I stand corrected and commend you for being big enough to admit an error. Mike
1570.24		XSTACY::JLUNDON	http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)	`Thu May 02 1996 10:32`	6
	Fair play Charles! Which brings me to my other point: how could she be allowed to say things like that uncensored? James.
1570.25		CHEFS::COOPERT1	So many students..so few bullets	`Thu May 02 1996 11:40`	7
	.24 Haven't got a clue James. Seems like an idiot thing to say. It would be interesting to see the entire statement she made. CHARLEY
1570.26		XSTACY::JLUNDON	http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)	`Thu May 02 1996 12:59`	5
	> entire statement I'll see what I can do. James.
1570.27	What word?	NEMAIL::HANLY		`Thu May 02 1996 13:42`	7
	James, Soething in note 1570.20 caught my eye. Completley off the present topic, mind you. What is the phrase or word that is mentioned or associated with your name that appeared in the "Words we use" book? Regards, Ken Hanly
1570.28		ESSC::KMANNERINGS		`Thu May 02 1996 14:32`	1
	It must be 1538.7
1570.29	conjafrey/cocamus?	XSTACY::JLUNDON	http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/~jlundon :-)	`Fri May 03 1996 04:16`	40
	When I mailed Liam Ferrie requesting more information about the dame (seen earlier in the note) Pauline (his wife) mailed back saying that she saw my name in a recent book written by Diarmuid O Muirithe which she had just reviewed for the IE Book Review. The story: I'd written to Diarmuid quite a while ago asking after the origins of a word my mother uses constantly at home. The word is conjafrey and she uses it to mean getting into a bit of trouble or being in a fix. Diarmuid wasn't able to help with my particular word but possibly connected it with the word which he was discussing at the time called kim-kam. He just mentioned my name in connection with conjafrey but admitted to being stumped about its origins. (I'll probably be in contact with him soon again about the origins of another word which I'd like to know about, namely cocamus?) I missed the original Irish Times article so it was a pleasant surprise when I got that mail yesterday :-). I was also mentioned in another book before Christmas written by Michael Nugent. This book was called _Ireland and the Internet_. He spoke about my scoring exploits in a soccer match arranged through a soccer mailing list last year. Even after those two mentions I'm still willing to mingle (and even talk) with the unwashed masses ;-). James. ++ - Those of you who are familiar with Diarmuid O Muirithe's column in the Irish Times will enjoy dipping into "The Words We Use", a collection of his columns in which the author examines the origins of words and phrases found in different parts of Ireland. One can browse through a section entitled "Co. Dublin Invective" or learn the origin of the word "gurrier". Dialect words from all corners of the island, as well as from America, Scotland, Liverpool and Newfoundland have their own peculiar fascination and I can't wait to tell my mother-in-law that she's been speaking Norwegian all her life when she calls a digging fork a "greip". (Four Courts Press, ISBN 1-85182-220-8, pp134, IR6.95)