Conference tallis::celt

RE:       <<< Note 1568.0 by NETRIX::"[email protected]" "Mark Holohan" >>>
    
>>                    -< John Major opposed peace initiative >-
    
    The paper is Independent by name, but not by nature. I'd take that lot
    with a pinch of salt if I were you.

>>  To anyone who for some reason still believed the British government
>>  wanted peace, or that they are really trying to still achieve it,
>>  read this:

    Now then, remind me again how a massive pile of Semtex under a bridge
    in central London is a demonsteation of a desire for peace, and of
    "really trying to still achieve it [sic]"... 
    
    What nauseating bloody hypocrisy.
    
    Laurie.

    >The letters, which appear in a new book, The Fight for Peace, showed Mr 
    >Major thought the peace initiative would not produce an IRA ceasefire. 
     
    Turns out he was right. Anyway, there is nothing in the article that
    says that Major did/does not want peace, the article just says the above.  
    You're talking out of your arse as usual. If you're going to post stuff
    like this, make sure it's in context. Your credibility takes yet another
    nose dive. 
     
     
    >"It also reveals the IRA and Sinn Fein played a significant role in 
    >writing the early drafts of the declaration,"  
     
    I can smell something. 
     
    >The IRA ceasefire lasted 17 months until February 9th 
     
    17 days is closer to the mark. 
     
    
    > To anyone who for some reason still believed the British government 
    > wanted peace, or that they are really trying to still achieve it, 
    > read this: 
     
    The biggest bomb ever to be placed on the British mainland failed to go
    off yesterday. Any bombs in Dublin over the past 19 months? 
     
     
    CHARLEY 
    
    

    >"It also reveals the IRA and Sinn Fein played a significant role in 
    > writing the early drafts of the declaration,"  
    
    Err....I don't think so Holohan, it would appear that, yet again, you
    have fallen for sensational unresearched journalism. If you really want
    to know how much input the IRA and Sinn Fein had in the declaration
    then read the un-official biography called "John Hume - Peacemaker",
    by George Drower or the official biography by Hume himself which, i'm
    told, has just been released in America.
    
    God it really bores me when people spout off about subjects which they
    really don't know sod all about...either get it right or shut up.
    
    Shaun.

The book mentioned is co-authored by Eaimonn O'Maille (sp?).

He used to/still does work for 'Downtown Radio' in Belfast. He is 
disreputable a source enough that he makes frequent appearences
on the BBC/ITV in England!

M

Holohan, kindly get stuffed.

Chris.

re : .3

>    have fallen for sensational unresearched journalism. If you really want
>    to know how much input the IRA and Sinn Fein had in the declaration
>    then read the un-official biography called "John Hume - Peacemaker",
>    by George Drower or the official biography by Hume himself which, i'm
>    told, has just been released in America.
 

In a recent TV Interview John Hume himself acknowledges the contribution
of SF. In particular the section that acknowledges there can be no 
solution to the situation in Ireland that does not take into consideration
the Protestant community. The public agreement was supposed to be
about draft 35 in a series of drafts that were reviewed bu SF, IRA, SDLP,
Irish govt., and they said it was reviewed by 'Protestant Extremists'
(presumably UDA/UVF) although details were sketchy here. 

Apprently the only major group that didn't contribute were the mainstream
Unionist parties. I presume they must regret that now.

M

>>In a recent TV Interview John Hume himself acknowledges the contribution
>>of SF. In particular the section that acknowledges there can be no 
>>solution to the situation in Ireland that does not take into consideration
>>the Protestant community.
    
    I'd say that was more a diplomatic interview comment, aimed at bringing
    SF into the political process. The fact that John Hume himself and the
    SDLP has been acknowledging the fact that there can be no solution without
    the Protestant Community since the early 70s only highlights the fact
    that it is John Hume who is, and has always been, the driving force
    behind obtaining peace in NI.
    
    He wants SF to be brought in from the cold, and if that means he has to
    credit them with some of his own views then it is a small sacrifice.
    
    Shaun.

>  The paper is Independent by name, but not by nature.

  I see, so the Irish Times, and the London Independent issue a
  report that the pro-British lobby doesn't like, so we must all
  understand that those papers should not be trusted.


>Now then, remind me again how a massive pile of Semtex under a bridge
>in central London is a demonsteation of a desire for peace, and of
>"really trying to still achieve it [sic]"... 

  Correct me if I'm wrong, but this all came about after a 17 month
  cease fire, in which the British government demonstrated time
  and again their determination to destroy the peace process.
    
>   What nauseating bloody hypocrisy.

  Yes, aren't you, and your government.

                       Mark

[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

    You're struggling. Very weak...
    
    Laurie.

I'm always amazed at how often people like Holohan will publically wallow in 
the mire of their own hypocrisy.  There's no content in that note that can 
really be debated, it's just so much crap.

Chris.

RE .8 

You stand corrected.

Al

    .8
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    
    
    CHARLEY

    Itys just the same old Holohead drivil really....oh and don't bother
    with the threatening mails....believe me, it will make absolutely no
    difference what-so-ever!
    
    Shaun.