Conference tallis::celt

I hope their gathering isn't anywhere near a bridge; apparntly thugs have
started trying to put bombs under bridges recently

//atp

Ahh, so that is why the murdering scum are trying to blow up
bridges. With a bomb of that size shards of glass and 'shrapnell'
would have been sent flying for about a mile, just at about the time
the pubs empty out. Potentially hundreds of people could have been
killed or hurt.

I have come to the [cynical] conclusion that the IRA only held
the cease fire so they could stock up munitions in England.

The IRA scum and their scum appologists should think again.
They deserve NO RIGHT to join in any party talks without
a total diss-armament [sp?] first.


Simon

    RTw  04/25 2023  Sinn Fein chides Britain after IRA bombs

    By Giles Elgood

    LONDON, April 26 (Reuter) - The IRA's political wing accused Britain of
    holding up the Northern Ireland peace process after the guerrilla group
    was believed to have planted its two biggest bombs on the British
    mainland.

    Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams said on Thursday British Prime Minister
    John Major was discriminating against his party and its supporters in
    the run-up to elections to be held next month as part of the peace
    process.

    His remarks came just hours after police found two suspected Irish
    Republican Army bombs under a bridge in west London. Two detonators
    went off, but the bombs did not.

    Police said the bombs contained "upwards of 30 pounds (14 kilos) of
    high explosives" and were probably the most powerful that the IRA had
    used on the British mainland.

    Planted on the 80th anniversary of the Irish 1916 Easter Rising against
    British rule, the bombs could have wrecked Hammersmith bridge, causing
    casualties in nearby houses and blocking a key road route into central
    London.

    Security sources said bomb squad detectives were checking other bridges
    across the Thames river.

    Adams said in a statement: "John Major must move beyond the politics of
    condemnation and exclusion. He has a duty and a responsibility to help
    restore the peace process.

    "Sinn Fein will be standing in the election on May 30 and we will
    secure a significant mandate in that election. The British government
    cannot preach democracy and then block from talks a party which
    receives substantial support."

    The bomb incident occurred only hours after Sinn Fein ended weeks of
    uncertainty by confirming it would contest the Northern Ireland
    elections.

    Britain reaffirmed that Sinn Fein would be barred from peace talks in
    June unless the IRA called off a 25-year war to end London's rule over
    the province and unite Ireland.

    Major repeated the warning to parliament on Thursday. "I repeat again
    to Sinn Fein, they have to make a choice and they cannot duck it," he
    said.

    "If they wish to become a democratic party they must make it clear they
    will have no truck now or in the future with violence of the sort we
    have seen. If they do not do that there is no way they can join the
    democratic discussions about the future of Northern Ireland."

    The attack on Hammersmith bridge was the second by the IRA in the
    London area in a week and the sixth since the gurrilla group ended a
    17-month truce in February.

    Two people were killed in a bomb blast in London's Canary Wharf area on
    February 9.

    Hammersmith bridge survived an IRA bomb attack in 1939. An alert
    passer-by saw sparks coming from a suitcase, which he threw into the
    water. That bomb exploded without causing damage but a second device on
    the bridge brought down some girders.

    REUTER

What a wondeful example of Sinn Fein doublethink.  The IRA places the bomb 
but it is the British  who are preventing peace. By that logic, the government
could best contribute to the peace process by nuking Dublin.
  
Dave

    For God's sake folks. There are about 500-600 other notes to write the
    usual `murdering scum' replies. The base note happens to be about
    commemorating a very important event in Irish history. We can debate
    the significance or otherwise of the 1916 rising here but please don't
    let it degenerate into the typical ::CELT note of recent months....
    
    I'll be in Dublin this weekend, (not for the commemoration, it's my
    Dad's birthday). I might attend the march, if only to pay my respects
    to the dead of 1916. I don't like the way these gatherings tend to
    degenerate into anti-British rhetorical speech-making....
    
    Ray....
                                                             

To return to the topic, BBC Radio 4 this morning broadcast some street 
interviews from Dublin about the 1916 rising.  Those interviewed were 
of the opinion that it wasn't very relevant to modern day Ireland. 

Is this the general view?

Dave

.5,

it is relevant, sadly, since some deranged individuals decided to 
`commemorate' the event by planting bombs with the obvious intention of 
killing civilians.  I must apologise for anybody who may have suffered had the 
bombs gone off for daring to get upset about it.  Perhaps you would be good 
enough to pass your sentiments on to your fellow employees who have to use 
this bridge in order to get to work.

Chris.

re. .1 and .2

 Potty, and Simple,

 Tell, me do you spit all over yourselves when you say
 "murdering scum" blah, blah, blah, "apologists" blah, blah, blah?
 Would you like a bib? 

>Those interviewed were 
>of the opinion that it wasn't very relevant to modern day Ireland. 

 History, and the courageous acts of individuals for love of their
 nation, is very relevant.  To not consider it so, is to forget
 one's own history and roots.  That's fine for a conquered people,
 not for a nation of free men and women.

                       Mark
  


 
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

Still here, then?  Good to see you're still skilled in inane wibbling.

Chris.

>re. .1 and .2
>
> Potty, and Simple,

I assume that these are intended to be extremely witty and incisive puns on 
the names Potter and Simon.  I hate to tell you this, Mark, but others have
thought of them preiously.

> Tell, me do you spit all over yourselves when you say
> "murdering scum" blah, blah, blah, "apologists" blah, blah, blah?

No, why do you ask? 

> Would you like a bib? 

No, why do you ask? 

regards,
//alan  (without a drop of spittle)

RE:  <<< Note 1567.10 by MOVIES::POTTER "http://www.vmse.edo.dec.com/~potter/" >>>
                      -< Mark, what _are_ you on about? >-

>> >re. .1 and .2
>> >
>> > Potty, and Simple,
>> 
>> I assume that these are intended to be extremely witty and incisive puns on 
>> the names Potter and Simon.  I hate to tell you this, Mark, but others have
>> thought of them preiously.

    No Alan, they are yet another example of Holohan's ingrained hypocrisy.
    Some time ago, I received an extremely threatening mail from Holohan
    objecting to my use of the word "Holohead" in a note directed at him. I
    have ceased using said word in that context, but it appears that he
    feels it's appropriate to use similar words about others.
    
    Laurie.

    So whats so bad about Holohead, personaly I find it very amusing...and
    quite appropiate as well.
    
    Shaun,

   > I received an extremely threatening mail from Holohan
    
    That would fit a pattern, wouldn't it ? 

>    So whats so bad about Holohead, personaly I find it very amusing...and
>    quite appropiate as well.
    
>    Shaun,


  Out of curiosity Shaun, are you in Europe, or here in the U.S.?
  Where do you sit?  I think that if we sat down and had a chat,
  we could mend this rift.  I'm more than willing to extend my hand.
  There's no point in you and I using this conference to throw
  barbs at one another.

  I couldn't find you in vtx elf.  What organization do you work
  in?  

                     Sincerely,
                          Mark
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    Mark,
    
    I'd hardly call our discussions a 'rift', or at least i've never
    thought of them in that way. I, personaly, have no desire to censure
    your views and oppinions - regardless of my own - as it is the basic
    principle of human liberty.
    
    However, it is in the argueing of your views that we find disagreement.
    Since noting here myself, I have noticed that you are more than willing
    to reproduce text from Sinn Fein, Republican News et al without any
    real research into their content. I find it very hard to respect
    someone who believes blindly and even harder to respect someone who
    makes no real attempt to defend their views when challenged or to
    accept that some of their views are flawed.
    
    Prove that my oppinion of you is misguided and I shall gladly sit
    beside you for a chat.
    
    Shaun.

> Prove that my oppinion of you is misguided and I shall gladly sit
> beside you for a chat.

  I find that a discussion behind the impersonality of notes, is a
  difficult one to judge another by.  If you don't mind, I'll drop
  by some time.  Where are you located?  If you are nervous or
  afraid, and would rather not disclose your location, I guess I can
  accept that, but I had hoped there was more to your opinions than
  that.

                Sincerely,
                     Mark
    

  
[Posted by WWW Notes gateway]

  >>I find that a discussion behind the impersonality of notes, is a
  >>difficult one to judge another by.
    
    It really depends on what is being judged. Admittedly, it would be a
    narrow-minded man that judged a person, in their entirety, by their
    notes discussions. However, I think you'd agree that one could judge
    the quality of another's discussions by the same medium.
     
    Just out of curiosity though, why on earth should you think I'm nervous
    or afraid ?
    
    Shaun.

    Sorry, I forgot to add....i'm based in Bruxelles, Belgium.
    
    Shaun.