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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

1498.0. "St John's Eve or Bonfire Night" by ESSB::KILBANE () Thu Aug 24 1995 07:34

    
    
    I need any information on St Johns Eve or Bonfire night which is an
    annual custom and happens just after mid summer on 23rd June.
    
    I need this urgently for a project I am working on.
    
   Thanks in advance
    
    Des
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1498.1LugnasaSIOG::BRENNAN_Mfestina lenteThu Aug 24 1995 09:573
    What sort of information are you looking for. Eg What to drink etc.?
    
    Mbr
1498.2ESSB::KILBANEThu Aug 24 1995 10:5018

Re .1
  
 What I need to find out is what the bonfire signifies? 
 Was it a pagan ritual that predated Christianity and that has been 
 hijacked hence St John's Eve. 

 From my youth (fado, fado...;^>)  I can remember cutting down gorse/furze
 bushes for the bonfire. It could be a painful exercise due to the bushes 
 being all thorns but it was usually worth it for it's burning effect.

 BTW  I think Lugnasa is a different festival which relates more to August 
  or harvest time rather than midsummer.

 regards

 Des
1498.3Taughmaconnell Hillbilly watched the firesMKTCRV::KMANNERINGSThu Aug 24 1995 12:5237
    Well, 21. June was certainly a big deal with the pre-christian celts it
    seems.  On the morning of 21. June this year I watched the sun rise
    from a hill in the rocklands between Dysart and Taughmaconnell, in
    south Roscommon, in the hope of better
    understanding the innumerable standing stones in the area. It was very
    rewarding and I found several stones aligned with where the sun rose on
    a beautiful morning. It was just as exciting again in the evening with
    many stones pointing at where the sun went down. There also used to be
    stones on Sheep Hill (ship hill ?) marking the winter solstice on Dec
    21. These are still marked on the ordinance survey maps but they have
    long since been removed, allegedly by Christian zealots. 
    
    I think there may be some substance to the hijack theory, but the
    hijacking is maybe a long a complicated story. A bishop was buried on
    sheep hill around 1690 and a cross erected, possibly as competition to
    the standing stones, which must have still been around then. In modern
    times the parish priests are said to have made a great drive against
    planting and sowing rituals based on lunar cycles and other astronomical
    phenomena, denouncing them as pagan pishrogues. I understand the Synod
    of Whitby sometime around  1300 years ago (?) was a barney between the
    roman and celtic threads within Christianity.
    
    On 23. June there were a number of bonfires in the area, but noone was
    sure why.
    
    Can someone learned please explain all this? 
    
    By the way, there won't be much time left to worry about the standing
    stones as the bulldozers are rolling to reclaim the land for sheep
    farming and innumerable sites have been destroyed in all over  the West in
    recent years. So soon all that we will have left to do is light
    bonfires on 23. June and wonder why we are doing it. 
    
    Kevin
        
                     
                     
1498.4Lughnasa festival If I remember correctlySIOG::BRENNAN_Mfestina lenteThu Aug 24 1995 13:0712
    St Johns day is another  hijacked festival. It was one of the 4 major 
    Druidic Festivals of ancient times. These occurred on the 2 equinoxes and 
    on Mid summer and Midwinter.
    
    They were called Bealtine, Lughnasa, Samhain and Imboloc (I think thats
    correct but it has been a long time).
    
    Re collecting Furze
    
    What! were there no virgins to collect -) That was what the ancient
    Celts did.  
         
1498.5Festive SeasonSIOG::OSULLIVAN_DMon Aug 28 1995 13:137
    re: Imboloc(ed)
    
    Isn't that what you said last Friday when leaving Hanlons??;-)
    
    Slan
    
    Dermot