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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

1383.0. "binoculars prices / birdwatching sites" by VARESE::FRANZONI (Blue like a Blues) Thu May 19 1994 06:47

I'm coming to Ireland for a two week vacation (second half of june)...

Since we plan to do a lot of birdwatching my wife wants to buy a new binocular.
Binoculars are very expensive in Italy, compared to UK... I wonder what are the
prices in Ireland, compared to UK (we will spend a couple of hours in Heathrow
waiting for the transfer to Dublin) ?

Also any suggestion to place to go (west coast, around (north of) Mouth of
Shannon) is welcome !

(I'd love to watch Puffins, so I would be particularly interested in sites where
they are likely to be seen)


Cheers,
Mauro.
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1383.1Ireland is (was) expensive for that stuffCTHQ::COADYThu May 19 1994 09:416
    
    Unless things have changed since I left Ireland I would expect that
    Binoculars are more expensive than UK, in fact I think prices are
    similar to Italy.
    
    If you stop off in Heathrow, buy them there !
1383.2My favorite is the Black and White Magpie?TALLIS::DARCYAlpha Migration ToolsThu May 19 1994 11:3210
    
    Mauro, there's a good little blue book on the Birds of Ireland
    by Gordon D'Arcy (no relation unfortunately).  You can probably
    buy this at the airport.  I bought mine in Galway.
    
    A good birding spot is along the western coast of Clare - below
    the cliffs of Moher (Kilkee, Kilrush, Spanish Point)... if your
    taste is shore birds.
           
    /george
1383.3ADISSW::SMYTHThu May 19 1994 16:3210
    Any of the coastal islands will have loads of birds. If you are in the
    West Cork/Kerry region, you should be able to get a boat out to the
    Skellig Islands (there big rocks really) and there are thousnds of
    puffins out there. 
    
    Of course the best place for Birds is Grafton St, and if you are into
    puffins you could try Fairview Park :-)
    
    
    Joe.
1383.4good oneSIOG::KEYESDecadmire Engineering DTN 827-5556Fri May 20 1994 14:0311
    
     Joe....re-last....cracking up laughing here! -) -)..very good!!!
    
    West coast really good .Achill also known...night and day 
    
    
    
    
			
    
    
1383.5VARESE::FRANZONIloose, chippings 20 mphTue Jul 05 1994 05:2319
>     Joe....re-last....cracking up laughing here! -) -)..very good!!!
hah, now I got it ;-)

Well, I'm just back... had a very bad wheather the first week, slightly better
the second... but it didn't refrain me from birdwatching... as I'm going
to write a trip report anyway I will post it here when done...

BTW, Clare co. may be a good place for shore-birding but I never had a
good pint of Guinness served ! it was too chilled, or draught too quickly,
or tasting old or ... I once also had the doubt they served me one of those
pint of shaving-cream topped black liquid, ya now...

Well I had to go to Galway to had a really good one ! and also in Co. Dublin
had pints full of taste.

Anyway I enjoyed my staying and... up Ireland !

Cheers,
mf
1383.6(birdwatching) trip reportVARESE::FRANZONIloose, chippings 20 mphFri Jul 15 1994 12:14333
	Trip report: Ireland, June 18th - July 3rd
	==========================================

This has not been a real birdwatching vacation, in the strict meaning of the
term although BW has been the main activity of us.  We went with our son,
18 month old so we had not that much time to stick with binoculars (especially
on the cliffs) because we wanted it were vacation for him too, and not just
stress (so that, in a near future, he will love BW as well, BTW he's learning
how to look through binoculars).  We had anyway a good watching time and
enjoyed many species, of which some were good twitches.

Weather was painful bad the first week (cold, wind and rain), a bit better
the second one that also was warmer and almost sunny the last three days.

We rented an holiday cottage, 4 miles off Doonbeg, Co. Clare.  We choose that
area because close to the Mouth of Shannon and with shores that looked very
well promising (from Kilkee to the Cliffs of Moher).  Just close to our cottage
we had a great watching site: the bay of Doonbeg (where the Doonbeg river
flows in) - we could watch many waders (probably the best site we went to for
waders) just from the car seats, with very little (hopefully without any)
bother to birds - so don't miss that site if you pass by.

We used, for site references, some good hints from friends and colleagues,
a 1:400000 Michelin's road map and the book "Where to watch birds in Ireland"
by Clive Hutchinson.  We found the guide sometime wrong or vague but all in all
useful.  There is a new edition of that book (Red cover and slightly larger
than my black/blue booklet) that hopefully is more up to date and accurate.

Neither me of my wife are professional ornihtologists, just passionate
amateur birdwatcher - this don't claims to be a professional report so
please forgive me for any error or inaccuracy you can find.


General notes
-------------

We've been resident in Co. Clare so most of the data are from that and
the neighbor Co. Galway (the bay and the Burren area).  We also spent
half a day south off Dublin and, of course, a couple of half-days traveling
from Dublin to Doonbeg and back.

Jackdaws (Corvus moledula), as well as the Pied wagtails (Motacilla alba) -
melanic form of the White wagtail found in Ireland and UK, are everywhere,
yet the wagtails are just a little nicer...

Rooks (Corvus Frugilegus) are less spread than Jackdaws - we saw usually large
groups but not so frequently, and the Hooded crow (Corvus corone), compared
to Italy, is relatively poor.

Again compared to Italy, we found very few House sparrows (Passer domesticus),
substituted, in number and diffusion (at least in the country side) by the
Meadow pipit (Anthus pratensis) whereas we found pigeons (actually Rock doves
(Columba livia)) were just in the Dublin area.

In the country side, almost any house has got one Magpie (Pica pica), and
the fields are covered by flocks of 30-40 or more juvenile Starlings
(Sturnus vulgaris).  The Swallow (Hirundo rustica) is present but much less
than in Italy and I don't remember the sight of any House martin (Delichon
urbica) - this confirms the reports of the diminishing trend of the
species in the northern countries.

While the shore is abundant of birds, we are a bit disappointed by the
river Shannon, particularly by its Southern shore (Co. Limerick) where
very few birds can be seen, this also due to the lack of access to the
shore (almost all the roads toward the shore are ending in private property).

In The Burren, a very suggestive area, there are almost no birds.  There are,
anyway, several archaeological sites (but, if you are interested in Dolmens
or Stone circles, be prepared to exhausting endless walkabout in search of
them as the sites are poorly preserved and with almost no signal or
direction).


Note: all the species reported above are not reported in the daily reports.


Day by day
----------

Time and weather reported are just indicative - having a young child morning
means late morning (up to noon) and evening means 6pm (but even earlier).

			June 19th

Doonbeg (morning - cloudy, wind, cold):
	A few Skylark (Alauda arvensis) on the meadows around the
	white strand, a group of Oystercatchers (Haematopus ostralegus)
	on the bay, 3 Cormorants (Phalacrocorax carbo) on a rock
	(one, slightly smaller and brownish is a juvenile).
	One Woodpigeon (Columba palumbus) on a meadow near the village.

Lurga Point (afternoon - rain, wind, cold):
	A Great black-backed gull (Larus marinus) is all we could see
	in the short time we could bear the rain and wind on the strand.


			June 20th

Kinvarra (afternoon):
	2 Moorhen (Gallinula chloropus) and on Coot (Fulica atra).

Doonbeg (evening):
	A Stonechat (Saxicola torquata) on the fence just before the
	house.


			June 21st

Paulnasherry Bay (morning - rain):
	2 Shelducks (Tadorna tadorna), a Curlew (Numenius arquata)
	and some Black-headed gulls (Larus ridibundus).

Kilbaha (afternoon - rain):
	A Cormorant (Phalacrocorax carbo) on a rock, resting, a
	Grey heron (Ardea cinerea) fishing and, in front of the village,
	a ten Common gulls (Larus canus) on a small rock.

Loophead (afternoon - rain, fog):
	A very large colony of Guillemots (Uria aalge) on the sea,
	many Herring gulls (Larus argentatus) and some Great black-backed
	gulls (Larus marinus) - so bad there is so little visibility.

Doonbeg bay (evening - cloudy)
	Three Oystercatchers (Haematopus ostralegus).

Doonbeg, white strand (evening - cloudy):
	A ten of Oystercatchers (Haematopus ostralegus) and a fishing
	Cormorant (Phalacrocorax carbo).
	

			June 22nd

Cliffs of Moher (morning - cloudy, wind, mist):
	There is a large colony of Razorbills (Alca torda) nesting on
	the cliff in front of a large flat rock great for watching while
	comfortable sit of lay down (be careful, cliffs are dangerous !
	you should know, never watch through binoculars while standing up
	close to the edge !).  Mixed with the Razorbills there are also
	several gulls (?) but wind and mist make it very hard to distinguish
	details.  On another rock, there is a kind of balcony upward,
	following the path to the tower, there are a few but very beautiful
	Puffins (Fratercula arctica) - if only it were a little more clear !
	On the meadows there are also a few Wheaters (Oenanthe oenanthe).

Lough Atedaum (afternoon - cloudy):
	This is a small lake with an amazing number of Mute swans
	(Cygnus olor) - we never saw so many individual all together.

Ballyallia Lake (evening - cloudy)
	On this lake, very close to the town Ennis and despite the bother
	of canoes there are some Mallards (Anas platyrhynchos), a few
	Coots (Fulica atra) of which one with 4-5 juveniles and a
	Little Grebe (Tachybaptus ruficollis).

Donnbeg bay (evening):
	Several Oystercatchers (Haematopus ostralegus), two Redshanks
	(Tringa totanus) and a Ringed plover (Charadrius hiaticula)
	fill today up.


			June 23rd

Clounderalaw bay (morning - cloudy):
	There are a few Shelducks (Tadorna tadorna) and a small group
	of waders too far away to distinguish any detail other than
	shape and behavior.  Further on, from the road, a Curlew 
	(Numenius arquata) and a couple of Mallards (Anas platyrhynchos).
	

Fergus estuary (afternoon - cloudy):
	Two Shelducks (Tadorna tadorna) and, again, some almost invisible
	waders.  Meanwhile two Grey herons (Ardea cinerea) fly over there.


			June 24th

Doonbeg (rain):
	No activity today, anyway a pair of Wrens (Troglodytes troglodytes)
	on the fence in front of the kitchen window makes wake up a
	little happier and a pair of Stonechats greets the evening
	away.


			June 25th

Kilbaha (afternoon - slightly cloudy):
	A Cormorant (Phalacrocorax carbo) is sleeping on a rock, while
	three Rock pipits calls each other and fly back and forth from
	one rock to another.

Loop Head (afternoon - slightly cloudy, wind):
	To profit by the (relatively) almost good weather we went
	back to watch the Guillemots (Uria aalge) with a better
	light and visibility.  This time there were less individuals
	on the sea but much more were flying (from cliff down to
	sea, fishing, and back).  There are also several Herring
	gulls (Larus argentatus), Common gulls (Larus canus) and
	Great black-backed gulls (Larus marinus).  It was a great
	surprise to see 3 Gannets (Sula bassana) passing by and
	fishing with a quick dive.


			June 26th

Doonbaeg bay (afternoon - rain !!!):
	Weather is very bad, we have been stuck at home the whole day
	long but a short trip to the village.  On the way back a glance
	to the bay shows three Oystercatchers (Haematopus ostralegus),
	a Curlew (Numenius arquata), a Ringed plovers (Charadrius hiaticula)
	just passing by, 3 Redshanks (Tringa totanus) and, I think but
	visibility was too bad to be completely sure, a Greenshank
	(Tringa nebularia) - unfortunately we had no more chance to
	watch that individual to get confirmation.


			June 27th

(cliffs between Kilkee and ) Castle Point (morning - cloudy, wind):
	3-4 Great black-backed gulls (Larus marinus), an Herring gull
	(Larus argentatus), a Common gull (Larus canus) and a two
	of Choughs (Pyrrhocorax pyrrhcorax).  On the way back to
	Kilkee, a male Wheatear.

Querrin pier (morning - cloudy):
	A Woodpigeon (Columba palumbus) crossed just before the car.
	100 meters from the pier there are a ten of Curlews (Numenius
	arquata), most of them sleeping close to the grass, and a
	rowdy flock of Black-headed gulls (Larus ridibundus).

Knock (afternoon - rain):
	Curlews (Numenius arquata) are numerous here, some tens, and
	there are several Black-headed gulls (Larus ridibundus) too.

Clounderalaw bay (afternoon):
	Two Shelducks are very close on the shore, good picture taken,
	and others are back mixed with Curlews (Numenius arquata).
	

			June 28th

Lurga Point (afternoon, wind):
	Two Great black-backed gulls (Larus marinus) are arguing for a
	small crab that one dropped while flying - I don't know whether
	because pinched or to kill/stun it.  Two Rock pipits (Anthus
	spinoletta) call from the rocks on the beach and two Shags
	(Phalocrocorax aristotelis) pass by toward Mutton Island.

Doonbeg bay (evening):
	No waders this evening, just a Grey heron (Ardea cinerea) and
	a pair of Mute swans (Cygnus olor) with 5 juveniles.

Doonbeg, path to Blind Horse cave (evening - sun):
	There is a hedge, bordering the path, that is very crowded:
	A pair of Stonechats (Saxicola torquata) with two juveniles
	and a Redpoll (Carduelis flammes) are just a few of the many
	inhabitants you could hear (singing, calling and moving).


			June 29th

Cliffs of Moher (late morning - wind, sun (rain)):
	He just had to return to the Cliffs of Moher as it was sunny
	and clear (though we had a couple of quick showers while at
	the cliffs) to watch the Puffins (Fratercula arctica) with
	better conditions.  Under the sun you can really see their
	colorful bill - and we could also clearly distinguish a few
	juveniles (black bill).  Today there are also some Guillemots
	(Uria aalge) on the same rock, other than a Cormorant
	(Phalacrocorax carbo) and a Shag (Phalacrocorax aristotelis).
	Last time I didn't notice I could get so close to the cliff
	where the Razorbills (Alca torda) nest, and the ones I thought
	were some gulls actually are a colony of Fulmars (Fulmarus
	glacialis).

Doonbeg bay (evening, clear):
	Some juvenile Herring gulls (Larus argentatus) and three Ringed
	plovers (Charadrius hiaticula).  This individuals have the
	black stripe over the eyes is not marked like the ones around the
	eyes and neck.


			June 30th

Doonbeg bay (evening):
	Just a Curlew (Numenius arquata) and a Ringed plover (Charadrius	
	hiaticula).  Faraway there is a Cormorant (or Shag ? it's too
	distant to tell for sure).


			July 1st

River Shannon - southern shore (morning and afternoon - sun):
	As already told in the introduction, this shore of the
	Shannon is poor of birds...  during all the trip to
	Limerick we just watched a Moorhen (Gallinula chloropus),
	a Grey heron (Ardea cinerea), two Mute swans (Cygnus olor),
	two Cormorants (Phalacrocorax carbo) and two Woodpigeons
	(Columba palumbus).  The book reported that several species
	could have been seen from the `coast' road - just a pity that
	the river could barely (if at all) be seen.
	

			July 2nd

Doonbeg bay (morning, rain):
	A last glance to this wonderful site: a fairly large group of
	Oystercatchers (Haematopus ostralegus), a ten of Redshanks
	(Tringa totanus), a Cormorant (Phalacrocorax carbo) and,
	not so far, on a rock just surfacing, two Sandwichterns
	(Sterna sandvicensis)... it was not so easy to identify them
	until one decided to have a short flight since the yellow
	tip on the bill was not evident at all.

Bray Head, Co. Dublin (late afternoon, sun):
	The book reports you can see some interesting species from
	the train from Bray to next Village (sorry, I don't remember
	the name) but indeed there is a very nice path (following the
	railway, a little above) where you can have a good walk
	(about 5 miles - you could also consider to get back by train)
	and great watching.  We didn't do the whole path, and it
	looked very promising further on, anyway we could see two
	Black guillemots (Cepphus grylle) on the sea - it's amazing
	the way the orange legs could be seen despite under the water.
	We also saw some Guillemots (Uria aalge) both on see and
	flying, a Razorbill (Alca torda) on sea, a pair of Stonechats
	(Saxicola torquata) and a Greenfinch (Chloris chloris).
	On a rock there was a ten of Cormorants (Phalacrocorax carbo),
	of which 3-4 juveniles, and an adult and a juvenile Shag
	(Phalacrocorax aristotelis) - all of them seemed perfectly
	aligned, funny !  There is also a numerous colony of Kittiwake
	(Rissa tridactyla) and, on a rock above the path, we saw two
	Fulmars (Fulmarus glacialis).  Grouped on a rock, 20-30 Rock
	doves (Columba livia).
1383.7ADISSW::SMYTHFri Jul 15 1994 12:328
    Mauro, while you have given a detailed day to day account of the
    Bird-watching it's difficult to say whether or not you had a good time
    or not? 
    
    Was there anything that you thought was terrible? Was there stuff you
    thought was wonderful? Would you ever go back again?
    
    Joe.
1383.8could be arrested for thatSIOG::KEYESDECADMIRE Engineering DTN 827-5556Fri Jul 15 1994 13:1310
    
    any rare or unusual birds?....Alot of unusual spanish and Italian
    around the city at the moment.
    
    .Interesting note ..though I think if I passed on this info in my local
    pub I'd be put down or committed ..handle of a shovel over the head 
    
    
    
    Mick
1383.9Hard luck Italy ..but Brazil derserved to win La Copa Mondial..ESSB::KILBANEMon Jul 18 1994 05:1415
Bonjourno Mauro, 

Your day by day account made interesting reading.  I've read and seen programmes
on TV regarding the shooting of birds by organised groups in Italy. Birds 
migrating from Africa back to Northern Europe just are not making it back in the
same numbers anymore. Calabria got particular mention. It seems that Bird 
protection people there are putting their lives at risk trying to save rare
birds from extinction. 

Bord Failte (Irish Tourist Board)is actively promoting organised shooting of 
birds for the French and Italian markets. What do you think of this?

Ciao,

Des.
1383.10ThanksTINCUP::AGUEDTN-592-4939, 719-598-3498(SSL)Mon Jul 18 1994 23:2714
    Re: .6
    
    Get a life!!!   %^)
    
    I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound so insulting, but as one who has
    never gotten interested in bird-watching, to read the report of a
    fanatic was truly awesome.  I wish I could hold something as dear as
    you do birdwatching.  The only thing that comes close is to temporarily
    hold a full glass of Guiness.
    
    And if you ever have another trip with such a report, please enter it. 
    It does make fascinating reading.
    
    -- Jim
1383.11a wordy birdwatcher, what's worse ?VARESE::FRANZONIloose, chippings 20 mphTue Jul 19 1994 04:4579
.7>    Mauro, while you have given a detailed day to day account of the
.7>    Bird-watching it's difficult to say whether or not you had a good time
.7>    or not? 
Sure I enjoyed my vacation, I entered a short note (.5) complaining about the
quality of Guinness in Co. Clare - but we had good time anyway. 

.7>    Was there anything that you thought was terrible?
Well, other for the Guinness... driving a mirrored car, on a narrow road with
a truck speeding the other way that didn't slow down a mph - that was an
experience.

Also, we've been surprised by the waste of plastic bags at shops - and for
the 30% of phosphates (SP) in detergents -- the Green Island seems not to have
a green soul...

.7>    Was there stuff you thought was wonderful?
The whole island and the people are wonderful ! (and Ginness too, outside Co.
Clare !)

.7>    Would you ever go back again?
This was my 3rd time, and not the last one - I hope.  As it could result in a
few other notes around, I'd like to move there definitively and I sent a few
CV's while there....

    
.8>    any rare or unusual birds?....Alot of unusual spanish and Italian
.8>    around the city at the moment.
Well, most of the species seen there are rare for Italy... I think Black
guillemots (and a few others) are (relatively) rare in Ireland as well ...

.8>    .Interesting note ..though I think if I passed on this info in my local
.8>    pub I'd be put down or committed ..handle of a shovel over the head 
is it so boring ?  I do understand it could be, for a non-birdwatcher -
anyway I wanted to leave a track for other BW's coming to (or living in)
Ireland, as there was no one note about BW... I also thought to open a new
item [Mr. Mod feel free to move at will] but then decided to reply on my
original request.

    
.9>Your day by day account made interesting reading.  
Thanks, this makes me feel less guilty for boring to death other people.

.9>I've read and seen programmes
.9>on TV regarding the shooting of birds by organised groups in Italy. Birds 
.9>migrating from Africa back to Northern Europe just are not making it back in the
.9>same numbers anymore. Calabria got particular mention. It seems that Bird 
.9>protection people there are putting their lives at risk trying to save rare
.9>birds from extinction.
Yes, that's a real shame - and yes, every year bird protection people risk
their life to limit the killing a little as the government hardly gives
police and forest department people to fight poachers (some of which involved
with mafia), and it's dangerous to contest a rifle with a binocular... but this
is going off subject, feel free to mail me if you want more info on the subject.

.9>Bord Failte (Irish Tourist Board)is actively promoting organised shooting of 
.9>birds for the French and Italian markets. What do you think of this?
I am against hunting and this says it all... unfortunately may countries offer
hunting vacations (mostly in Scandinavia and eastern Europe) - Ireland just
didn't seem me so much rich in game...

.10>    Get a life!!!   %^)
.10>    
.10>    I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sound so insulting, but as one who has
.10>    never gotten interested in bird-watching, to read the report of a
.10>    fanatic was truly awesome.  I wish I could hold something as dear as
next/unseen does the trick

.10>    you do birdwatching.  The only thing that comes close is to temporarily
.10>    hold a full glass of Guiness.
I would rather hold a/some temporarily full glass/es of Guinness ;-)

.10>    And if you ever have another trip with such a report, please enter it. 
.10>    It does make fascinating reading.
I'm sorry but the report would be very short this time, should I ever come
for another Ireland tour again I will write a report on stout watching - er,
pardon... drinking 8*) if I remember to take notes at the first sip ;^)

Cheers,
Mauro.
1383.12BONKIN::BOYLETony. Melbourne, AustraliaTue Jul 19 1994 22:3212
-1> anyway I wanted to leave a track for other BW's coming to (or living in)
-1>Ireland, as there was no one note about BW...
    
    	"binoculars prices / birwatching sites"
                               ^^
    
    It might be helpful to fix the spelling on the title so future
    birdwatchers could find a note with "BIRD" in the title.
                                            ^
    
    Tony.