Conference tallis::celt

    hear, hear!

    Or let somebody start an IRELAND_IN_FLAMES conference and take their
    battles there.
    
    While I do think a lot of people have blinders on when it comes to the
    situation in the island of Erin, we only turn away those who we might
    educate when we repeatedly post new notes about each variant of the
    "troubles" and then play kick-the-can with it ad nauseum.
    

    
    The kick-the-can happens in part because there's no attempt to limit the 
    new topics to those genuinely meriting a new basenote.
    

    Well, there's always SOAPBOX; mind you, the "audience" is a little more
    critical...
    
    Laurie.

re. .2

 Dennis,
   The only way the blinders will be removed is by 
 presenting information on the situation.  Now, I don't
 think much of the likes of Millar, and his immature
 posts, but even they have their place.  Namely as
 an example of how a British mind works when forced to
 face the ugly truth of the occupation in the six
 counties.
   Now it would be easy to bury our heads and not read
 news articles, human rights reports, and the opinions
 of the Nationalist community, but then we would only
 have a one-sided opinion of the situation.

                      Mark

> posts, but even they have their place.  Namely as
> an example of how a British mind works when forced to
> face the ugly truth of the occupation in the six

when you come across with this sort of attitude, may I point out that it
is not surprising that some people have little time for what you have to
say.  I get the impression that your goal is not for the future wellbeing of
the Irish people but more of a personal crusade against the British
people.  I have yet to see any evidence to refute that view; your
continual belligerence and superior attitude do little other than to
annoy, and inevitably overshadow any point which your posts are attempting
to make, accurate or otherwise.

I'm sorry to say that I doubt that by pointing this out that it will
make the slightest difference, as a great deal of ill feeling has already
built up in here.  I won't try to claim that I'm completely blameless, as
I will react negatively to any insult or abuse, though I think that there
is no doubt as to who the main troublemaker in this conference is.

Chris.

    RE: .5  by KOALA::HOLOHAN 
    
>re. .2

    >The only way the blinders will be removed is by presenting information
    >on the situation.  
    
    At this volume, people will only cover their ears and turn away.  Turn
    it down or take it elsewhere.
    

Noters Beware!

Mark has failed to post a note explaining how his freedom fighting friends 
deal with those who voice criticism of their heroic deeds.

Last week, John Fee, SDLP councillor from Crossmaglen questioned the wisdom 
of lobbing mortor shells over the houses of his cinstituents at the British 
Army post. He also had the gall to question how this might form part of Sinn 
Fein's peace efforts.

For his efforts he is now in hospital, having been censored by a group of 
heroes with sticks. He sufferred broken ribs, fingers, and a suspected 
fractured leg.

SF deny responsibility.

Having spoken to a 'local' over the weekend, their denial is receiving a 
sceptical response from the people of Crossmaglen.

...what ever you say, say nothing!

 re. .6
  And I have little time for folks who won't read and educate
 themselves.  If an article by a human rights activists upsets
 you, then hit next unseen.

 re. .7
  Yep, and there are plenty of others who have to live in
 Ballymurphy.  And there are those who have to live in north
 London and have to put up with the PTA, and anti-Irish racism. 

 re. .8
 "Turn it down or take it elsewhere."

 Beg pardon! Who died and made you moderator?

 re. .10
  Here's a new concept for you.  Innocent until and if proven
 guilty.  Unless you have evidence that Sinn Fein or even the
 IRA were responsible for this act, why don't you halt with
 the accusations.

  Any one who reads the news knows who it is that the SDLP
 councillors need to fear.  That is the loyalist death
 squads colluding with the British forces, who have decided
 that SDLP councillors are legitimate targets.

                Mark

Mark,

I'm not accusing anyone. I'm reporting that the victim is of the belief that 
'Republicans' disciplined him; I'm also reporting what a local resident told 
me at the weekend (when I visited the North - oops, sorry, there I go again, 
meeting people with day to day experience of the North). 

What SF actually said was: "we are not responsible ....it is up to the IRA to 
speak for itself"

The local IRA denied that they were involved. The general belief is that it 
was freelance activity by more zealous members of that organisation.

BTW, I encountered far less anger in the North than in this conference 

From IRL-NEWS:

A member of the Royal Irish Regiment has been jailed for four years after
being caught at a UVF swearing-in ceremony.

Private Julian Creaney, whose address was given as C/O RIR Ballykinler, was
one of four men caught at a house in Blenheim Drive in Newtownards.

During the raid the RUC uncovered a broken handgun, a UVF flag, uniforms,
masks, 12 bullets and a hand-written UVF oath.  The other men also received
lenient sentences of between four and five years {standard sentence for IRA
membership is, I believe, 7 years--stu}.

The sentences handed out in this case clearly ignore the serious and deadly
reality of collusion between the RIR (UDR) and loyalist killer gangs.  In his
judgement, Diplock Judge John Curran chose to ignore the record of UDR/RIR
collusion with loyalist death squads when he called the incident an "exception-
al case".

    
    In all honestly this is really getting out of control..Alot of folk
    read this but of late well the aggression shown here leaves alot to be
    desired. No problem with any info but if we could keep it to the topic
    it belongs in...ie one general NI topic ..it would be more manageable.
     
    Mick
    
    

 re. .14

 Mick,
   This stuff doesn't belong in only one note.  If we took that approach
 then it would be a two note conference.  One note for the republic of
 Ireland, one note for north east Ireland.  Throw in a note for Wales,
 and a note for Scotland, and we would have it up to a four note conference.

                 Mark

    
    You however, seem to need a new note for every piece you pick up on the
    usenet. Would you please consider using existing topics?
    

    
    
    Mark: Why don't you just post ALL of your info/reports in ONE note, and
    	  that way, we will know EXACTLY where (or not where) to look for 
    	  them.
    
    	  
    
    	keVin
    

    I second that emotion.