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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

1352.0. "Vacation/Family Tree Trip in May 1994" by LANDO::ODONNELL () Tue Mar 22 1994 15:56

	Greetings all,

	I made flight reservations for Ireland in February 1994, and 
	have read the notes regarding rental cars in notes 1167 and 
	1209, I believe.

	I am coming over with two adult friends from 5/23 a.m. landing 
	in Dublin to depart from Shannon on 6/3/94. MY GOAL is to get 
	some closure on my family tree research in Donnegal early in 
	the vacation. I understand that I need to visit the genealogical
	center in Letterkenney. I am second generation here in the states,
	and the birth/baptismal dates of my grandparents on both sides 
	are a mystery. I only have the years that my grandparents died,
	here in the states. I have no idea what parrish they were from 
	either, as no one made any entries in the family bible.

	So, I want to travel Dublin to Donnegal, and then see the rest of 
	Ireland and end up in Shannon by 6/2/94. Suggestions on routes,
	places "not to miss" would be appreciated, plus we would like not
	to see all "tourist traps", do some horseback riding, see a horseshow,
	and get two days of liks golfing in, maybe a round on each coast ...

	I understand that we can pre-purchase B & B vouchers that are valid 
	at all B & B's "blessed" by the Irish Tourist Board. Suggestions on
	favorite B & B's appreciated.

	I drive a stick each time I've been in Ireland, and wonder if the 
	mid-size car is enough room for 3 adults and luggage( 1 bag, 1 
	carry-on per person)? Suggestions ? Different from note 1209.*

	Thanks to all in advance,

	Caoimhghin

	(a.k.a. _Kevin, don't you know!)









    
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1352.1TALLIS::DARCYAlpha Migration ToolsTue Mar 22 1994 16:5153
    Hi Kevin,
    
    I wouldn't bother with the B&B vouchers.  I've never had a
    problem getting a place.
    
    You can get the birthdates of your grandparents by going to
    the federal records and archives in Waltham and getting the
    immigration papers.  I assume you know the approximate year
    of arrival. Even if you don't, a small search will uncover that.
    
    After you get the birthdates you can then send that info to Dublin
    (or bring yourself) and get their birth certificates.  Researching
    the ancestors has a cascade effect, i.e. every document you uncover
    usually gives some info that you didn't have before (occupation,
    people they lived with who may also be relatives, unknown relatives,
    sponsors, etc...) It's fun.
    
    Donegal is a great county. A bit wet perhaps, but one of the nicest.
    I've stayed in Bundoran, Donegal town, and around Ballybofey. Glen
    Colmcille is also very nice.  Having your surname, you will have to
    pay a obligatory and sacred visit to the home of Daniel O'Donnell
    (and have tea and scones with him and his mommy). ;v)
    
    Ballyshannon is also nice for a visit. The whole place is loaded
    with Germans/French/Swedish during the summer.  There's also a guy
    in Sligo (ask around) who will rent you horses that drive around
    Sligo, through Leitrim and up to Donegal.  Makes for a nice trip
    and the horses know their way, unlike the tourists.
    
    For golf you should ask Dermot "Birdie-king" O'Sullivan (SIOG::
    OSULLIVAN_D).  But in any case on the west coast there are many
    fine courses, Lahinch, Ballybunion and a few others such as 
    Oughterrard, Tuam, etc... There's even a new one going up
    south of Galway (designed by Christie?) that's supposed to be
    very good.  Bring your clubs if you can.  Actually, buy new
    clubs, bring them and play with them, and then sell 'em. Clubs
    and balls are very "dear" in Ireland. And mind yer ball on the
    course, the little rug-rats dart out and steal them and then sell
    them back to you on the next tee!
    
    For tourist sites I would take in Achill Island, Dun Aeongus - the
    fort on Inis Mor on the Aran Islands (psst it's the oldest structure
    in all of europe!!! that will get everyone going), Galway city,
    O'Connors in Doolin, Benbulben in Sligo, Cliffs of Moher, Ballyvaughan
    memorial.  And do the Clifden drive, and stop off for smoked salmon in
    Killary harbor.
    
    Warning, Ireland is a heck of a lot safer than just about any place
    in the US, but don't leave gifts visible in the car, put them in the boot!
    Trust me on that.
    
    George
            
1352.2Best research done in DublinTINCUP::AGUEDTN-592-4939, 719-598-3498(SSL)Tue Mar 22 1994 17:1115
    There is a government office in Dublin that has all the birth, marriage
    and death certificates from about 1850 to the present.  These are
    summarized and organized by last names within books bound by year.  If
    you know the approximate year of birth of a grandparent, you can pull
    that book and look for the name inside.
    
    We spent an afternoon researching my wife's lineage.  Her grandmother
    was particularly tough.  We had to go through 7 yearbooks before we
    finally found her entry.
    
    Once you find an entry you can ask the office to provide you with a
    copy of the certificate of interest.  I'll check the records at home to
    see if I can find more about name and address of this place.
    
    -- Jim
1352.3TOPDOC::AHERNDennis the MenaceTue Mar 22 1994 21:5721
    RE: .2  by TINCUP::AGUE 
    
    >Once you find an entry you can ask the office to provide you with a
    >copy of the certificate of interest.  I'll check the records at home to
    >see if I can find more about name and address of this place.
    
    Joyce House in Lombard Street.  I think the birth, death and marriage
    records start in 1860.  
    
    You should definitely start working backwards from what you can find in
    the States.  As George said, the National Archives branch in Waltham
    may have naturalization papers which give an alleged birthdate, though
    they often did not know themselves for certain.
    
    You should also plan on visiting the National Library to look at
    microfilm of parish registers for baptisms and marriages.  Some
    dioceses are restricted though and you need to get a letter of
    permission from the parish priest or the Bishop.
    
    Where are you situated?
    
1352.4car size, routesXSTACY::LIBOVEFelines 'R' UsWed Mar 23 1994 05:2038
What is a "mid-sized" car?  They go by groups 1, 2, 3, 4, ... or A, B, C, D, ...
(where 1 ~= A, 2 ~= B, ...).  I rent a group 4 car, a Nissan Primera, from
Hamill's.  You could comfortably (if not spaciously) seat three adults
plus luggage in that vehicle.

For driving around for two weeks, unless you're on a really tight budget,
I would not get anything smaller than group 4 / group D.  3 / C might be
okay, but remember that even a "luxury" car in Ireland is barely 
mid-sized by USA standards.

Dublin to Donegal, direct, would take you through part of Northern
Ireland (not a problem - some nice country there too) - check with your
car rental company for any needed insurance certificates (kind of like
renting a car in the US and driving in to Canada).

Make sure to see the Connemara National Park in County Galway, for a nice
presentation on the geological and cultural history of the region.
Someone else suggested seeing Dun Angus (sorry, not a chance of me
spelling it correctly in Irish :} ) on the Aran Islands - it is
impressive, but the Aran Islands cost you an entire day, and if the
weather isn't quite good, then the day will not be very enjoyable.

Clifden is a nice town, and the Sky Road leading out along a long and
very narrow peninsula from Clifden is a very pretty drive.

Galway City is fun, of course.

Then continuing south you get in to Clare and the Burren, which is
geologically very interesting - shattered limestone mountains, and,
at the right times of year (mostly late April to mid May?) a
huge profusion of flowers and plants.  Through the end of summer it
will still have a variety of flora not to be found elsewhere in
Northern Europe until you go 1000 miles south, thanks to the odd
weather patterns of the North Atlantic Ocean.

Enjoy!  Ireland is wonderful!

-Jay