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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1632
Total number of notes:20523

1344.0. "What is reasonable these days?" by TALLIS::DARCY (Alpha Migration Tools) Mon Mar 14 1994 10:21

    >- Residents of other EU countries may soon be able to hire cars at a
    >  reasonable rate when they visit Ireland.  It is expected that they
    >  will be able to use their personal car insurance policies.  Insurance
    >  currently accounts for 28% of the cost of hiring a car here.
    
    When will US tourists be able to hire cars at reasonable rates???
    I needed to mortgage my house last time to pay for the luxurious
    yet roomy Fiat "Ritmo". ;v}
    
    Usually the decision of how long to stay in Ireland is not a question
    of vacation time, B&B rates, airline rates, but rather how long you'll
    be able to afford the "car".  I suppose I could bike next time.
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1344.1Reasonable=$70 per day :=)CTHQ::COADYMon Mar 14 1994 10:2816
    
    I agree, Ireland is (or was) 2nd to Italy for car and gas prices in the
    EU.  I haven;t been there in almost 12 months, but not looking forward
    to the costs in June.  I keep hearing that its cheaper to book from US
    rather than waiting, but I can't see how that works with DEC rates,
    unless omeone can get an "all in " deal, which doesn;t suit me as I
    stay with family.
    
    On the non international car hires (ie not Avis, Hertz, Budget) they
    are a bit cheaper, but then you can't decide to drop the car off where
    it suits you and that can be inconvenient.
    
    I always use my Credit Card to cover all insurances, so that saves a
    few punts per day.  It still ends up being at least 40 punts per day.
    
    
1344.2NOVA::EASTLANDI'm the NEA, NEH, NPRMon Mar 14 1994 11:356
    
    I think you will do OK on car rental if you book from the US, at least
    if Ireland follows the British example. I book via compuserve and
    get rates of 12 quid a day, versus 20-30 in situ. That's from Alamo,
    Eurodollar and so forth. 
    
1344.3its badEASE::KEYESTechnology Grp. 827-5556Mon Mar 14 1994 12:1614
    
    .....12 quid a day sounds very good...paradise in fact...However I
    doubt if that applies to Ireland. In fact you wouldn't even get a 3
    legged donkey for that -) -)....well maybe in clare -)
    
    Yes Car hire is a killer here..Certainly for all the tourist push that
    we do its one area that is obviously overtly expensive.
    
    that said I know a couple of AVIS cars were actually used in a donegal
    rally competition  a while ago so They do hype up the insurance costs
    
    rgs,
    
    Mick 
1344.4TALLIS::DARCYAlpha Migration ToolsMon Mar 14 1994 12:338
    It's difficult to complain too much, when you pay a mere 12-15 pounds
    for a room at a B&B.  Try doing that in any other place in Europe.
    I suppose the rates are low, because there are so many who do B&B
    in Ireland?
    
    Even so, the car rates are a killer.  If there were better public
    transport, it wouldn't be such a problem.  But realistically, there's
    no way you can do without a car while on holidays in Ireland.
1344.5NOVA::EASTLANDI'm the NEA, NEH, NPRMon Mar 14 1994 12:365
    
    I'm curious so I'll check with Compuserve tonight. They have the same
    kind of rates in places like Italy too I seem to remember, which isn't
    cheap either.  
    
1344.6NOVA::EASTLANDI'm the NEA, NEH, NPRTue Mar 15 1994 11:093
    
    As I thought. Shannon pick-up economy car Alamo $129.82 a week.
    
1344.7I managed..with a lot of help :)STOWOA::OROURKERUN-BY_FRUITINGTue Mar 15 1994 12:109
    
    George,
    
    Sure you can holiday in Ireland without hiring a car....
    
    Ya just need more Irish friends with cars! :)   
    
    /jen
    
1344.8Put the donkey on automatic pilotTALLIS::DARCYAlpha Migration ToolsTue Mar 15 1994 12:367
    Actually, what I should do is buy a second hand car
    and store it at my relatives house.  Then use that every
    time I come over.  I'd save money after the first trip.
    
    If I was only staying in Galway City, I could get by
    with a donkey and a bag of feed.  Wasn't it keVin that
    did this in Doolin?
1344.9NOVA::EASTLANDI'm the NEA, NEH, NPRTue Mar 15 1994 12:473
    
    What, $130 a week too much for you George?!
    
1344.10\TALLIS::DARCYAlpha Migration ToolsTue Mar 15 1994 13:254
    Do you get doors with the $130 rental Chris? ;v)  Seriously,
    last year when I went I paid about $280 per week.  I find it
    difficult to believe you can rent a car in Eire for $130.
    If it's true, that's great news...
1344.11SNELL::ROBERTSSpring cleaning at the WhitehouseTue Mar 15 1994 14:084
    
    I made many rentals in 1992.  The best rate was IR�28 per day avg. on a
    monthly voucher.  I really hope Chris is right.  That's a terrific
    rate.
1344.12NOVA::EASTLANDI'm the NEA, NEH, NPRTue Mar 15 1994 14:108
    
    All I can tell you is, it's there in black and white on Compuserve.
    It's far cheaper if you book from here, as I say. As for what kind
    of car, I believe Alamo will give you a Corsa. At least that's what I
    get through them and I always get the cheapest they have. It's small
    but it'll get you around. If you pay via Amex you can decline the CDW
    too or they'll hit you for $7 or $8 a day. 
    
1344.13NOVA::EASTLANDI'm the NEA, NEH, NPRTue Mar 15 1994 14:144
    
    Gary, why not call 'em up and ask 'em. My (old) handy reference card
    says 800-462-5266. 
    
1344.14You won't get that rate in July-August !!!HILL16::BURNSANCL�RTue Mar 15 1994 14:507
    
    
    My guess is the rate quoted is for off-season 
    
    
    keVin
    
1344.15SNELL::ROBERTSSpring cleaning at the WhitehouseTue Mar 15 1994 14:513
    
    I'll extract the number and check into this.  I don't doubt you Chris,
    it's just so "reasonable".....
1344.16$130 - no way !!!!CTHQ::COADYTue Mar 15 1994 15:076
    
    Maybe 130 punts per week; but even that sounds too good. I was over 30
    punts per day without any "insurances" last year. That would be almost
    $300 per week.
    
    If I get it at $130 per week I won't complain.
1344.17NOVA::EASTLANDI'm the NEA, NEH, NPRTue Mar 15 1994 15:0910
    
    Right, why should you start to doubt me now. Like you never did
    before, right Gary? And yes the rate is for Mar 21 for 7 days unlimited
    mileage. Bound to be more in summer, but then I never go to Europe in
    the summer. Too nice on Cape Ann then.
    
    It always comes as a surprise to find how low they will go if you
    book from here. I've tried to get equivalent rates in situ but you never
    can get the same kinds of deals. Must be reserved for Americans huh?
    
1344.18SNELL::ROBERTSSpring cleaning at the WhitehouseTue Mar 15 1994 15:0919
    
    >Gary, why not call 'em up and ask 'em. My (old) handy reference card
    >says 800-462-5266. 
    

	ALAMO International car hire number 800-522-9696.
	
	"Ford Fiesta"
    		
	The current rates are this: IR�98 + 12.5% VAT = IR�110.25 a week
	If you need collision add IR�8 per day extra.  To wave collision
	they require IR�500 cash deposit up front. (also you should check 
	with U.S. car insurance company or see if your major credit card 
	will cover your driving abroad)

	June 1st, higher seasonal rates will be in effect.


	Gary
1344.19NOVA::EASTLANDI'm the NEA, NEH, NPRTue Mar 15 1994 15:135
    
    So what's that in dollars? By the way, did you mention you saw a rate
    quoted on Cserve? You have to you know. You're dealing with salespeople.
    There is no standard rate they quote.
    
1344.20hard to argue this one !CTHQ::COADYTue Mar 15 1994 15:205
    What can I say, looks good ( I think in $$$ = $140 for a week).
    
    My trip is late May early June, I'll call them tonite and see what the
    rate will be.  I think Thomas Cook quoted abour $250 - DEC rate, so I
    did not reserve at that time.
1344.22NOVA::EASTLANDI'm the NEA, NEH, NPRTue Mar 15 1994 15:339
    
    It sems to work this way. (1) They only fix their rates a month or so
    in advance so you can't get a compuserve-listed rate now for say
    August, or if you do it'll cost you more. (2) As I said before, they
    are salespeople. If you don't mention a rock bottom deal you saw, 
    they won't mention it either! I have always had Alamo and also
    Eurodollar honor the Cserve-published rate, in England and in Italy.
    I can't see why Ireland should be any different.
     
1344.23NOVA::EASTLANDI'm the NEA, NEH, NPRTue Mar 15 1994 20:3436
    
    
    MAR21
              Location: IN-TERMINAL    SHANNON
             Rate Type:                                        Rates in USD
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Vehicle Type     Weekly  Rate  Free Miles  Mileage Charge   Status
   ------------     ------------  ----------  --------------   ---------
   CAR:
1  Economy             129.82       UNL KM      .00/km         Available
2  Economy             179.74       UNL KM      .00/km         Available
3  Economy             219.69       UNL KM      .00/km         Available
4  Economy             289.59       UNL KM      .00/km         Available
5  Compact             139.80       UNL KM      .00/km         Available
6  Compact             199.72       UNL KM      .00/km         Available
7  Compact             244.65       UNL KM      .00/km         Available
ick up-Drop off Dates: MAR 21, 1994 -  MAR 28, 1994
    
    
    JUL 21
    
              Location: IN-TERMINAL    SHANNON
             Rate Type:                                        Rates in USD
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Vehicle Type     Weekly  Rate  Free Miles  Mileage Charge   Status
   ------------     ------------  ----------  --------------   ---------
   CAR:
1  Economy             159.77       UNL KM      .00/km         Request
2  Economy             219.69       UNL KM      .00/km         Request
3  Economy             239.66       UNL KM      .00/km         Request
4  Economy             299.57       UNL KM      .00/km         Request
5  Compact             179.74       UNL KM      .00/km         Request
6  Compact             239.66       UNL KM      .00/km         Request
    
    
    
1344.24Re: .23, what company? Also, Hamill's rates...XSTACY::LIBOVEFelines 'R' UsWed Mar 16 1994 13:3712
Re: .23 - what company were those rates for? Do they include tax?

I rent from Hamill's, and Ireland-based company.  I get a group 4
(Nissan Primera) for #183/week, either on or off season (that's
a deal they cut for me; normally the on-season rate would be higher).

#183/week at the prevailing exchange rate of about $1.43/# works
out to about $262/week.  Of course, then there's tax on top of
that (12.5% I believe, making it about $295/week.)

-Jay

1344.25NOVA::EASTLANDI'm the NEA, NEH, NPRWed Mar 16 1994 20:532
    
    Alamo booked from US, add tax - see previous notes. 
1344.26Hamill's is a better dealXSTACY::LIBOVEFelines 'R' UsFri Mar 18 1994 12:3210
For a group 4 car, the Alamo cost was ~$290 + 12.5% tax.
The Hamill's cost was #183 + 12.5% tax.  At the going rate
of about $1.43/#, that makes Hamill's pre-tax price ~$262.

Renting from Hamill's will save you about $31/week. (And,
depending on what Alamo calls a "group 4" car, might get
you a better car).

-Jay