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Title:Celt Notefile
Moderator:TALLIS::DARCY
Created:Wed Feb 19 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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1269.0. "Ireland - Help/B&B's for next week" by SML1DR::ROSENBERG () Mon Oct 04 1993 03:43

   Greetings,

	I'm extremely pleased to say that I'm travelling to Ireland for the week
of October 8 - 15, leaving on the 16th.  (7 full days).  Actually there are 
four of us going (two couples).  We've scowered the various Celt and Ireland 
notesfiles, and must tell you: the more we read, the more excited we get.
From what I can tell, Ireland is simply a beautiful place with wonderful people.

	I realize it is quite short notice, but I wanted to know if there are 
any Digital folks living there that have B&B's for rent.  We are in our mid 
30's are are very clean/respectable folk (I can't say however, what I might
be like after some poteen).  If you don't own, perhaps you can make some
suggestions, or at least might be interested in talking to me about our plans.  

	If so, please let me know via EMAIL (I'm travelling this week on
business away from the office, and I'll give you a call back.  Also I would
enjoy any comments/additions to the information and questions I have compiled 
below:

	Thanks very much. We can't wait to get there.

Ken Rosenberg  (or should I say,  Kenny O'Rosenberg)

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Note: At this point, we a leaning our focus on the Southwest portion of 
Ireland only because we have 1 week and want to take our time.  
I'm sure we'll be back more times for other areas. 

We have B&B guidebooks, Insight Guides, Detailed maps, Gortex-lined apparrel,
cameras, umbrellas, more umbrellas, etc. 

	Some of the main goals of our trip:
	  o  Relax.  Don't go at a crazy pace.  If we find something we like,
		stick around.
	  o  Look for the unusual, non-tourist activities/towns.  
	     We tend to be adventurous, and are not afraid of going deeper than
             the surface.  For example, in Jamaica we did the whole island:
	     Blue Mountains, Kingston, Aqui and Codfish for breakfast, etc.
	     (not scrambled eggs and Montego bay).
	  o Taste Guinness in its natural habitat (often).  Accompanied by 
		Salmon, oysters, mussels, etc., and of course, stimulating
		conversation with the Irish.
	  o Irish Music (Joe is a fanatic - knows all the groups).
	  o Botanical wonders (Joe and Sue are landscapers)
	  o Relax. (Did I say that?)
	  o Craic!!!!!

Questions:
===========
Car rental: Are there any small, sturdy cars (i.e. Volvo) for 4?
	    Does anyone know if Shannon has Avis at a DEC discount?
	    Can we arrange the car when we get there, or should I make plans to
		call now and reserve a car?  

B&B:        For 4 people travelling, would it be out of the ordinary for us to
	        request a private bath?
	    Do most B&B take credit cards?

Vouchers:
	    What are travel vouchers?  
	    Are these the same as traveller's checks?
	    Can traveller's checks be exchanged in most towns, or would it be
		best to get as many Punts as possible in Shannon Airport?
    
Events:
    	    Any special October events, are we too out-of-season?
    
Daylight:
    	    When does it get dark in October?
    
To bring:
	    What would be good gifts to bring to the Irish from the United 
	    States?  Things that we could give our B&B hosts.  Example: 
	    Philadelphia Cheesesteak (but less messy for travel reasons).

Itinerary (first draft).  What do you think for 7 days?
=======================================================
Fri 10/8  
   Leave JFK airport at 9:45 pm. 

Sat 10/9 
   Arrive at Shannon at about 10:00 a.m. (Pretend we got sleep)
   Shannon:  Get car, exchange currency, and get out.
	- attempt to get Digital discount if possible on car rental
   Destination: Galway via Ennis / Kilcolgan (oysters & Guiness) 
	Stay at a B&B which will give us access to 10/10's adventures.

Sun 10/10 (maybe longer)
   More of Galway area
	Coast to Barna and Spiddle to Moycullen
        Kylemore Abbey beside Clifteon
	Connemara

Mon, Tue, We, Thu, Fri ???
   (down the coast, then possibly eastbound, then back to Shannon
		Airport)
   Definites:
	   Lisdoonvarna
	   Dingle (Rings of Kerry)
	   Tralee
   
   If time, head for Cork, Tipperay, Waterford, Southeast, Limerick and end in
   Shannon.  If not, sorry!  See you next trip.


Town of interest we might attempt, and what we know so far from the notefiles
and friends
=========================================================
Arin Islands
	(The ladies have requested this)

Barna
        An Faolainn     

Cobh
        Zoo

Clare
        The Burren: Wilflower area.
        Milltownmalbay - festivals

Clonmel
        Rock of Cashel (if we make it to the Southeast)
	Heard this is a nice castle -- we are not that interested in castles, 
	   but would like to see at least one.  Any other suggestions that fit
	   our general plan?  No medievel banquets, please.

Connemara region
        Padraig Pearce's cottage - in wildly beautiful area in north.
        Clifden (recommended by many Irishmen)

Dingle
        Drive around coast
        Dick Macks Pub, across from Catholic church.    
        Half door - B&B part of
	O'Flahertys - Good music pub.
        Conner Pass - definitely go

Doolin
        Gus O'Conners (music)

Ennis
        O'deas Bar
        
Galway  
	The Snake?  (Are you still with DEC?).  Your history of Ireland was 
	  great!
	B&B in Galway city: Breda Guilfoyle
                            Ardawn House
                            College Road
                            Galway
                            353-91-68833
        * Jerry Larkin's family bed and breakfast.
        Lough Corrib
        Best pints: Tribeman and Trigger Martins (circa 87)
        Restauraunt: Twelve Pins in Barna
        Larry Cullen's Bar (Eugene Lamb musician)
        Get copy of Galway advertiser
        Paddy Burkes (good food)
        McSwiggans (woodquay)
        Cellar bar on Enlington st.  Music during night. Good day food.
        Quays Pub (Quay st.) Trad. Irish Music & bar food
        * Kings Head (Quay st.) Trad. Irish Music & food
                back room.
        Music: The Crane
        Cullins (Good, trad. music)
        Clarinbridge?

Kerry
	Rings.

Kilcolgan
        Morans of the Weir - best oysters

Lehinch
        
Limerick?
        Bunratty Castle (Is this touristy?)
        Dirty Nellies Pub (I'm sure spelling is wrong)

Liscannor (home of lobster fisherman)
        Joe McHugh's bar

Lisdoonvarna
        Cliff of Moher
        Curtins Roadside Tavern (smoked salmon and trad. music)
        Natural History museum

Skibbereen
        Bantry -Great for mussels

Spiddle
        Hughes's Pub (best music in Ireland)

Tralee
	Heard it's a nice town.  Would like to see it.

    
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1269.1Proper EMAIL address for .0SML1DR::ROSENBERGMon Oct 04 1993 03:4810
    RE .0
    
    	My normal EMAIL address is DWOVAX::ROSENBERG, but the node was
    down - so I used SML1DR::ROSENBERG.  Also, feel free to call my voicemail 
    at DTN 338-5672, or outside (302) 323-5672.  Or reply to the
    notesfile, and I'll call you back.
    
        Thanks again in advance, for any responses.
    
    Ken
1269.2FORTY2::DONOVANMon Oct 04 1993 13:3044
	Hello, here are a few quick comments on your questions:
	
	Cars: you can probably get one when you get there, but will be
	more restricted for choice, as you'll have to take what you can
	get - should be OK at this time of the year though.
	
	B&Bs: a lot of them have some 'ensuite' rooms (bedroom with a
	shower included), if this will do you, as well as a communal
	bathroom. I doubt anywhere will have a private bath except a
	hotel.
	
	Events: most 'events' in October are at the holiday weekend at
	the end of the month, which is not much good for you.
	
	Places other than the ones you've already mentioned:
		
	- Clifden: try Mannion's bar for music.
	
	- Westport: visit Matt Molloy's pub, and also Hoban's.
	
	- Clonakilty: a good spot for music, though I'm not sure I can
	  remember the pub names. De Beara's ? Fiddler's Green ?
	
	- An Rinn (Waterford Gaeltacht): also a good music spot - can't
	  remember any pub names.

	Personal opinion: I'd give Tralee a miss, however, you can see
	for yourself as it's on the way to Dingle. 
    
        Maps: there are some excellent maps you can get of the Burren and
        Connemara, by a guy whose name I forget (Robinson ?). He lives in
        Roundstone. Also, there's a little book you can get in the bookshop
        in Dingle, for about two quid, which shows all the archeological
    	sites around the peninsula. This is really useful as you would miss
        most of the sites otherwise (though in the past couple of years
        they have become a bit better signposted).
		
	At this time of year, most small places will often have music
	at weekends only. I would visit the places with loads of music
	(Galway, Ennis, Doolin, Westport) during the week and vist the
	more out of the way places at weekends.
	
	John
1269.3enjoy!STOWOA::OROURKELET'S_PAY_RAYMon Oct 04 1993 13:4814
    
    Hi,
    
    I stayed at Breda's B&B on College Road in late July!  She was
    wonderful and the B&B is super.  It is just a short walk to downtown
    Galway (Short = 5-10 minutes).
    
    I didn't see any mention of the Burren on your list.  I took a day tour
    out there and enjoyed/learned a lot!
    
    Have a great trip! :)
    
    /jen
    
1269.4It's Best in the West ...........HILL16::BURNSANCL�RMon Oct 04 1993 14:0618
    
    I afraid that you find Lisdoonvarna very quiet in October.
    
    
    September was the month to be there ...   ;-)
    
    
    Spend a night in Doolin or Ballyvaughan.
    
    
    The Burren is THE place to visit for Botanical wonders.
    
    
    I hear the weather IN the pubs is wonderful this time of year !!
    
    
    keVin
    
1269.5BearnaBERN02::BYRNETue Oct 05 1993 04:184
    Stayed in An Faoilain B&B in Bearna in Jne �14.00 per person - toilet
    and shower ensuite, tea and biscuits on arrival AND a view of the sea.
    
    Therese
1269.6Welcome to Ireland.MACNAS::JDOOLEYOn the wayTue Oct 05 1993 07:5922
    No shortage of B and B's this time of year, why not try:-
    
               John and Margaret Dooley,
    		"Sundown House",
    		  Galway Coast Road,
    			Oranmore,
    			 Co. Galway.
                   Tel. (091) 94102.
    
    Oranmore is only 5 miles east of Galway City and is an ideal base for
    exploring the South Galway/North Clare region.
    
    Tell my parents I sent you........
    
    Rates are IR� 13.00 per person sharing per night for a room with shower
    and toilet ensuite.
    Have a good time in Ireland.
    BTW dawn occurs sometime before 7.30 am and dusk falls around 7.00pm in
    October in Ireland. Although some light ground frost can occur, the
    weather will not be as cold as it would be in New England. It will be 
    wetter......
    
1269.7Thanks for your replies so farDWOVAX::ROSENBERGHAL/IBM -- VMS/W(indows)NTTue Oct 05 1993 09:5811
    RE .2 - .6
    
    	Thanks for all your replys so far (and EMAIL messages).  I'm
    nostalgic, and haven't even been there yet!!!
    
    	I'm digesting your information in my evenings, so I thank you in
    advance for what you have suggested.
    
    	Erin go WOW
    
    Ken
1269.8Bring Cotton WoolSIOG::BRENNAN_Mfestina lenteTue Oct 05 1993 17:005
    
    The Snake can usually be found in Hughes' bar on Wood Quay in Galway.
    He is still as talkative as ever.
    
    MBr
1269.9Snake(s) alive!DWOVAX::ROSENBERGHAL/IBM -- VMS/W(indows)NTWed Oct 06 1993 02:4216
    RE: .8  
    
    Speaking of Snakes, one of the note in this file (250.1) mentioned
    about "staying out of the Wood Quay section, it's loaded with snakes."
    
    Was this an inside joke about Mr. Hughes, or is there truth to this?  I
    thought that there was some legendary person who drove out all the
    snake from Ireland.  Or perhaps I just started it...   And will they
    bite someone who has partaken of poteen?
    
    Confused,
    
    K.R.
    
    
    
1269.10Good weekMACNAS::MKEYESMfg technology 827-5556Wed Oct 06 1993 10:3211
    
    Yes the snakes were all banished...only this chap Hughes has invited
    them back in again..drop of poteen and they appear..2 'drops' and they
    sing.
    
    Nice to see galway win something this tyear (u-21) they should still be
    celebrating when your over.. Good week..galway win and o'malley gone.
    -)
    
    Mick
    
1269.11Moran's a must!!!PROXY::GREENAWAYWed Oct 06 1993 14:4338
    
 Just a couple of quick bullets to add to your grab bag;
    
-   Moran's Oyster Cottage in Kilcolgan, 1 mile off the main Galway-Shannon
    road and about 9 miles south of Galway centre.
    You mentioned the oysters as the main drawn.  I disagree.  I would
    say the main draw is the best presented Smoked Salmon you'll ever have
    and atmosphere.  It is located in a very scenic bay inlet.
    I'd recommend the Smoke Salmon and prawns with a side order of crab 
    claws.  Have this with either a nice dry white wine or a pint of
    Guinness, whichever is your taste.
    Then order the cheese cake for dessert.  It is nothing like
    American/German cheese cakes.  It has a mousse consistency and taste a
    bit lemony with some pinapple in it as well.  It is topped with a
    keywee and some fresh cream.  (God this brings back memories...)
    I used to live next door at Fox Cottage, so say hello to all for me.
    Also the main barman, Gerry Grealish, won this year's World's fastest
    Oyster opener, at the Galway Oyster festival, so tell him you heard
    all about his feat in America.  He'd love the attention.

-   My Aunt and another Uncle have B&Bs in Salthill, seacost suburb of
    Galway.
    Tara House, 38 Lower Salthill Road, Salthill, Galway  (Hannah Morgan)
    Fairly new and rooms all have bath/shower ensuite.
    Inishmore House, 9 Father Griffin Rd, Salthill, Galway (Joe & Kay
    Stephens).  Again all rooms have bath/shower ensuite.
    
-   Good session pubs in Galway:
    T' Naughtons, Quays, Sunday 12:30pm Jazz used to be at the King's Head.
    real Louisiana Jazz (Summertime, Bourbon St. etc.)
    
-   On the Outerard-Clifton Road...."Sweeneys"
    A great place to stay, eat or just stop by for a cup of tea and scones.
    
    
    Good Luck,
    Paul
                                               
1269.12TALLIS::DARCYAlpha Migration ToolsWed Oct 06 1993 16:2466
>	  o Taste Guinness in its natural habitat (often).  Accompanied by 
>		Salmon, oysters, mussels, etc., and of course, stimulating
>		conversation with the Irish.
    Related to this - if you get to Cork tour the Jameson Heritage center
    in Midleton and learn how real whiskey is made.
    
>	  o Botanical wonders (Joe and Sue are landscapers)
    Kerry is where you want to go for these -> you'll see Palm trees
    growing there and other odd varieties of plant life.
    
>	  o Relax. (Did I say that?)
    You'll have no choice on this one.
    
>Car rental: Are there any small, sturdy cars (i.e. Volvo) for 4?
>	    Does anyone know if Shannon has Avis at a DEC discount?
>	    Can we arrange the car when we get there, or should I make plans to
>		call now and reserve a car?  
    Small is the operative word here.  Have a car reserved before you get
    there.  Knowing the price of this rental, shop around when you get to
    the airport.  I got the best deal at Budget.
    
>	    Can traveller's checks be exchanged in most towns, or would it be
>		best to get as many Punts as possible in Shannon Airport?
    Skip the traveller's checks and just use your credit cards.  Checks are
    a hassle.  Buy a few hundred pounds before you go though...
    
>	    What would be good gifts to bring to the Irish from the United 
>	    States?  Things that we could give our B&B hosts.  Example: 
>	    Philadelphia Cheesesteak (but less messy for travel reasons).
    T-shirts, Baseball caps, coins, etc...
    
>   More of Galway area
>	Coast to Barna and Spiddle to Moycullen
>        Kylemore Abbey beside Clifteon
>	Connemara
    Good man.
    
>Arin Islands
>	(The ladies have requested this)
    Good for a day trip - leave from Rosveal (sp?).
    
>Cobh
>        Zoo
    Cobh (a.k.a. Queenstown) is a neat city on a huge hill.
    
>Clare
>        The Burren: Wilflower area.
>        Milltownmalbay - festivals
    Kevin Burns will have to help you here...


>Doolin
    Good for the craic...
    
>Galway  
    I second McSwiggans.  Real neat restaurant...
    There several good bookstores in Galway too.
    
>Lehinch
    If you a golfer... Great for a quick stop to look around...
    
    
    You'll be very lucky to fit this all in.  I would recommend a less
    busy schedule to give you a chance to smell the air and appreciate
    the people (the real treasure of ireland)...  You'll want to save some
    sites for your next visit too ;v)...
1269.13Air we go...DWOVAX::ROSENBERGHAL/IBM -- VMS/W(indows)NTFri Oct 08 1993 14:348
    O.K.  we're off.
    
    I'll give you a trip report when I return.
    
    Thanks for all your guidance.
    
    Ken
    
1269.14He's done a runner!ADISSW::SMYTHMon Nov 22 1993 14:123
    OK so where's the trip report. Was it really that bad?
    
    Joe.
1269.15Number for Ballyvaughan cottage scheme ?FORTY2::DONOVANFri Dec 17 1993 07:1211
	Calling Kevin Burns (or anyone else who happens to know): Do you
	have the phone number for information on the holiday cottages at
	Ballyvaughan ?
	
	I could have found out the other month when I was in
	Ballyvaughan, but was too lazy to bother. 
	
	thanks in advance
	
	John
1269.16I thought Clare was (065) ??ACTGSF::BURNSANCL�RFri Dec 17 1993 08:3613
    
    
    	Ballyvaughan Holiday Cottages
    
    
    	(061) 330289
    
    
    
	From the 1991  "06" area phone book
    
    
    
1269.17Geez, you're on the ball today . . .FORTY2::DONOVANFri Dec 17 1993 10:0118
	Thanks Kevin !
	
	A couple of up to date recommendations for visitors while I'm in
	here:
	
	- The Roadside Tavern, Lisdoonvarna: music every night up till
	the end of October. If you're a visiting musician here they treat
	you like a prince; free pints all night and they keep them coming
	nice and regular. Good sessions too; the regular musicians are
	older fellows and very hospitable.
	
	- Hoban's in Westport on Tuesday nights: Great lively sessions;
	the night I was there there were twelve musicians in the session,
	which isn't bad for the middle of the week in October. The music
	was good too, no rubbish; no free drink but otherwise great. 
	
	John
1269.18A meaning to "Let your fingers do the walking"POLAR::RUSHTONտ�Fri Dec 17 1993 12:115
	>>From the 1991  "06" area phone book
    
    keVin!!  Still stealing telephone books from Telefon Eireann?!
    
    Korff
1269.19And I'll swap it for a newer edition ACTGSF::BURNSANCL�RMon Dec 20 1993 08:3512
    
    
    Pat: I only "Borrowed" the phone book ....  :-) 
    
    
    	 I have every intention of returning it on the next visit !!
    
    
    
    
    	keVin
    
1269.20BELATED THANKS (to all)DWOVAX::ROSENBERGHAL/IBM -- VMS/W(indows)NTMon Feb 07 1994 14:3259
    HUMBLE APPLOGIES!.  Here is your humble .0 author, who promised a trip
    report in October, finally (partially responding) in February.   I've
    been on an extended assignment which is a 2.5 hour commute each way,
    and my lifestyle has been basically placed on "PAUSE", until I can
    mentally adjust, which I haven't.  But I blame myself for not at least
    saying:
    
    	T H A N K   Y O U
        T H A N K   Y O U
        T H A N K   Y O O O O O O O O U !!!!
    
    I have been to many places, including Hawaii, France, Carribean several
    times, Canada, Disneyworld, but I must say that IRELAND instantly went
    to the top of the list.  Its beauty, its people, its pubs, its culture,
    its lakes, its food, its pubs (oh, I said that :-)), its music, and on
    and on.  I even liked the currency --- Pigs and Horses with an
    occasional Queen thrown in...
    
    In a nutshell (which I will attempt to expound upon later), in 7 days
    we did slightly too much.  Some relaxation, but 3 counties:  Clare,
    Limerick, and Kerry.  The good news is that via this Whitman Sampler
    tour, we have a good idea on what to concentrate on for the first of
    our next series of vacations here.  Joe was ready to move to Bally
    Vaughan. (sp.)  
    
    Im going from slightly faded memory, but we:
    	- Flew in Shanon, got to Doolin for a great evening of Pub food &
    	  music / Travelled to Bally Vaughan, the Burren, Lisdoonvarna
    	  (big Smoke salmon order), quick stop in Galway (sorry you lost 
    	  the semi-final, up the Gaelic coast to Clifden / Kylemoor / one
    	  mammoth night drive from Clifden to Dingle Penninsula (missed the 
    	  Ferry Boat).  Then Dingle for a day - beautiful (could have made 
    	  this a week itself).  Finally did the Ring of Kerry with few 
    	  tourbuses in our way since it was October.
    	  Stayed at mostly $40 (Us) B&Bs, ate mostly at pubs / I even sat
          in with an Irish band one evening -- played the spoons (Must have
          been good - I noticed some Irish women getting the hots -- for a 
          spoon player ... I LOVE IT! / Forgot our rental car deal and got a
          cheaper deal with Bunratty / Proud to say we did very little 
          blatant-touristy things, and instead focused on small towns, pubs 
    	  (Ended up with a preference towards Murphys), and of course, the
    	  warm, friendly Irish People...  Tears welling up in me eyes now.
    
    To any one who ever had any doubts or second thoughts about going to
    Ireland, I can only say:  GO.
    
         We were extremely lucky with weather - it had been raining many
    weeks before our arrival, but we only say 2 hours of rain the entire 7
    days.
    
    
    	It's very late right now, and I promise to do a better update, but
    for now, once again, let me say THANK YOU to all of you who responded
    to my first note, and all of you who have contributed to this file. Our
    vacation was supreme!
    
    
    Ken