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    I think the Pope must have told a joke in Polish about bald headed
    jackeens.  No but seriously, I used to think more of Sin�ad O'Connor.
    I agreed with here on the Andrew Dice Clay issue.  But when she attacks
    the Pope in that manner, she is showing her immaturity and age.  She
    may have ill feelings towards the Catholic church, but better she vent
    her opinions in more positive ways.

    In a similar vein, that esteemed upholder of moral values, Madonna got
    slated over her video and song " Like a Prayer ".
    
    Both have done it for the publicity.
    
    Sin�id O'Connor also demanded, and got, and audience with our Prime
    Minister to protest about our ban on abortion, especially in reference
    to the availability  of information on abortion services abroad and the
    right of women to go abroad to obtain such services. Her political
    protests are , in my view, only a part of her image to make her famous
    and sell more records.
    
    A pity, as she has bags more talent than a lot of what passes for music
    nowadays.
    
    The church, in my view showed remarkable maturity over the incident
    only reply that they would pray for  her and she had problems.
    10 years ago she would have been roasted from the pulpits all over the country
    and denounced as a mortal sinner.

    
    
    What is the Andrew Dice Clay issue all about? I have not heard of it
    before now.
    
    
    Brendan

    
    	andrew and sinead were both slated to appear on `saturday night'...
    	sinead objected to sharing the stage with someone who had little 
    	regard for women, was rude and obnoxious. she and another regular
    	from the show did not show up for that particular episode. needless	
    	to say, a fuss over all this was made.
    
    	i like both sinead and andrew dice clay....
    	they both have similar interests (limelight and all that) 
    	i don't take the diceman seriously at all...
    	as for sinead, what's the big deal about tearing up a picture of
    	the pope (i have to ask?) i don't hold him in any higher esteem
    	than i do george bush, maggie thatcher or john major. and THAT
    	isn't saying too much either.

    >	as for sinead, what's the big deal about tearing up a picture of
    >	the pope (i have to ask?) i don't hold him in any higher esteem
    
    Because it's disrepectful.  That's why.  Just as I wouldn't hold up
    a photograph of your mother in public and rip it to shreds.  Andrew
    Dice Clay is an obnoxious misogynist who takes pleasure in ridculing
    women.  His humor isn't funny - it's sick.
    
    I still like Sin�ad O'Connor's music however.  Madonna is another
    story - I wouldn't waste my time talking about her ;v)
    
    /George

    It has been suggested that maybe she's been shaving her head too close.
    

    If that's the way she feels about the Pope then she has a right to
    express herself. People have been burning efigies, smearing posters
    etc. of famous people for years, so what is so different about this.
    Except for the fact that she had the balls (as it were)to do it in
    front of millions of TV viewers. At least she stands up for what she
    believes in.
    
    As for it helping her to sell records.....what a load of rubbish. It
    will probably hurt her record sales if anything.
    
    Gerry 

    I did not say she should not have the right to express herself.
    I am a total proponent of freedom of expression (not like
    some governments' broadcasting policies!)
    
    However, I think it ironic that she didn't want to perform with
    Andrew Dice Clay (because of his prejudices towards women, gays,
    and immigrants) yet she herself displays her prejudices and
    religious intolerances by ripping up the icon of the Catholic
    Church.

    
    	oh stop!
    	each individual has a right to their own opinion and that includes
    	freedom to express those opinions as well. the pope being a public
    	figure is at risk just as every other public figure.
    
    	besides, i think its disrespectful of you to be slagging her behind
    	her back.
    
    	i also read in the globe that the catholic prelates are demanding
    	an apology from NBC....
    	which is about as presposterous as one can get.... but what can
    	one expect from the church when they've stooped to the level of 
    	lawyers to put out `ads' to call the faithful.
    
    	`if you get hit by a car or fear that you've been wrongly injured
    	 in any way shape or form, please call the offices of msgrs.
    	 bless, da beast, & da children. for help. just call 5SA-VEME.
    
    	there are too many intolerants out there.  

    
    
    	Wait till "Murphy" sees this topic .....		:-)
    
    
    
    
    	keVin
    
    
    

    Anyone who was made aware of the life stories of the 17 martyrs of the
    17th Century Reformation in Ireland will understand how Catholics view
    anyone who rips up pictures of His Holiness.
    
    In that era we had Catholics with the guts to stand up for their
    beliefs and die for them.
    
    Now we have traitorous ex-Catholics who spit in the face of Christ when
    they insult the image of his Vicar on Earth.

    
    	that was then this is NOW, ::JDOOLEY.
    	it's the church that is holding back its people
    	with archaic thinking.
    
    	it's time to enter the new century with a little more compassion
    	for the world's differences than trying to fight them with rigid
    	obsolete and narrow-minded theories.
    
    	

    As I understand it, Sin�ad O'Connor was singing a song about child
    abuse. At the end of the song, she said something like "fight the real
    enemy" and tore up the picture of the Pope. Her reason was that she
    believed that the clergy were responsible for a lot of child abuse.
    
    From the newspapers etc, I understand that some members of the Catholic
    clergy have been involved in cases of abuse, and what's worse, attempts
    to cover them up. She is right to highlight these. However, her manner
    of doing so detracts from what she is trying to say. Personally, I'm
    not offended by what she did, but a lot of people are. What they will
    see is a `bald-headed loud mouth ripping a holy image to shreds'. Her
    message is lost. 
    
    

    
    I agree with Jimmy's take on it.  She was trying to get at the CAtholic
    church, in particular those directly involved in child abuse ( look at
    all the cases here in Boston in last few months ?), as well as she
    claims that the church condone her abuse as a child, claiming that the
    nuns at her school were well aware of what was being done to her at
    home.
    
    I also agree that he way of doing it may have messed up her message,
    she is being seen as " an offensive, bald headed, image seeking
    Madonna".
    

She is NOT bald

Thats a solar panel for a sex machine!

    
    	she's not bald its just a 5 o'clock shadow.
    
    	i don't think she's anywhere near similar to madonna, she doesn't
    	use her sexuality to sell her point. sinead cuts to the quick and
    	leaves nobody reading between the lines when it comes to her 
    	intentions and opinions. its simply as is.
    
    	does one have to have children in order to feel the impact sinead's
    	referring to when she blames the church for its involvement in 
    	cover ups of its clergy's `extra curricular interests'?

    
    I think Bishop Casey had something to do with it.  8*)
    
    Anyone who thinks madonna is a sex kitten needs to have either their 
    eyesight checked or their brain examined under a micro-scope. In my
    opinion she is revolting.    
    
    I think sinead has the freedom to do whatever she feels like doing.  I
    also think she is stuck in adolescence.  When she grows up she will
    porbably realize that actions taken to purposely "shock" someone
    usually create a negative impact.  And are counter-productive in the
    end.
    
    Hum...I wonder if she dryshaves that 'pointed little head' of
    hers......
    
    She does have cute little eyelashes...  Long ones too.....
    
    
    Bring on Mary Black......  Please
    
    paddy
    
    I wonder where Murphy is???????

    How can you all be bothered to be bothered with it all????

    
    	have you read the note title, graeme, my dear????
    
    	paddy...
    	who the $#(& is black?
    	i think enya has alot more class than sinead....but 
    	a bit too reserved to have fun with.
    
    	

    Denise,
    
       Your taste in musical artists is in the sewer  8*)
    
       Give me Christy Moore first and foremost, then just about any
    traditional singer.
    
       I'd throw out the pouges, Van Morrison, the saw doctors, and those
    hot house flower people......all overrated and clearly paying people to
    buy their music...  Ain't that right Murphy...  Murphy?  Murphy? You
    there Murphy?   Good, cuz I think you have one of those pouge fellas
    records and I certainly don't wanna offend ya.  8*)
    
    Mary Black is Frank Blacks sister FYI....
    
    
    I wonder where Delores Keane is these daz
    
    
    paddy

    What's pouges?

    .20>> I wonder where Delores Keane is these daz
    
    Pulling pints in The Harbour Bar!

    
    	it's POGUES to you mr. culbert!!!
    
    	and all those who you've chosen to `throw out' happen to 
    	interpret the `irish sentiment' quite well, thank you very 
    	much.
    
    	...and i can't believe you've linked van morrison with them 
    	as well....
    
    	that's close to blasphemy, ole man!!!!!

    I'll back you there Denise....although I absolutely hate Sinead O'
    Conner.....

    
    	thank you graeme....always a gentleman.
    	;-)

    I see the little madam got booed off stage at the weekend during a
    concert to celebrate Bob Dylans 30 (?) years in the music biz.
    
    In all honesty I don't think she is worth worrying about, she'll be
    forgotten long before the Pope is.
    
    		Brian.

    I think the issue was that people expected more of Sin�ad.
    If Madonna had ripped up the Pope, I don't think anyone
    would have cared.  Americans really like Sin�ad.

    
    	madonna's only issue is how will she exploit herself the NEXT 
    	time around...that has about as much relevance as dirty toilets
    	in public restrooms.
    
    	sinead, on the other hand exploits real issues that are
    	relevant concerns of many. 

    
    	Sinead is just a stupid spoiled kid with short hair.
    
    
    
    	Hannu
    
    	PS. Just my opinion 8-)

    
    Sinead can't dance either.
    
    
    I think she is so impressed with herself she actually thought her
    actions would be acceptable.  She (imho) has pulled a Jane Fonda move.
    
    
    paddy

    
    re .29
    
    Funny tho I don;t agree with Sinead, I think your perspective is wrong,
    Sinead was an abused child ( well documented by now ) and probably does
    need some help in coming to grips with her anger.
    
    I feel she shuld do something more positive soon, or as someone
    mentioned previously, she'll soon be "too hot" to handle.  Mind you, as
    per this weeks Irish Emigrant; this action does not appear to be
    getting much reaction in Ireland and here its on most TV channels every
    eve - especially the Investigative reporting one's like " Hardcopy" etc
    :=).
    
    
    I do not think she is or was spoiled.

    Her actions are getting zero publicity this side of the Atlantic.  If
    it wasn't for this conference I wouldn't have known about the Pope
    episode.
    
    		Brian.

    
    	you lot are a sheltered bunch aren't you?
    
    	paddy culbert!
    	what sinead did bears no similarity to what jane fonda did.
    	and if doonesbury (gary trudeau's comic strip) has any 
    	truth to it...the person you're looking for is clinton not
    	sinead.
    
    	....and here i thought you were a well read person (well padded
    	more likely)
    
    	

    
    I always thought sinead was a twit anyway.  

    
    	and you are a republican...

    
    yep, republican through and through..........

    Two more months.....

     Oh no he's back!!!!!!!!!

    
    	is that murphy?

    It's ok for Americans to boo Sinead off the stage. They don't have to
    live in a country where, thanks to the pope & his church, abortion is
    illegal, there is no divorce and contraception is still spoken about
    as if it's something bad.
    
    It's also ironic that she was booed at a Bob Dylan concert. He was at
    the forefront of radical thinking in his day. The times they are maybe
    not a changing after all......
    
    Tony.

    
    Abortion is NOT illegal - ref X case.
    
    Stephen
    

    
    	i believe, from the story i read about the dylan concert,
    	that she was not booed because of the pope fiasco but
    	because she did not sing a dylan song like the rest had.

Well, I watched the Dylan concert.  She came on right after the
Clancy Brothers.  At first I couldn't tell if the crowd was booing
her or just not settling down.  While she appeared to wait for
silence, and not getting it, Chris Kristopherson (sp) came back
out on stage, went up to her, kinda put his arm over her shoulder,
and said into her ear (but loud enough for the mike to pick it up)
something to the effect of 'don't let the b****rds get you down'.
After he walked off stage, the crowd was definitely booing, and
then she did a vocal only.  I thought it was some sort of 'poem',
not song.

Alice 

    
    Some eejit tore up Sin�ad's picture on the Late Late Show, so I 
    suppose all is even now between herself and the Pole.
    
    Madonna has suggested that Sin�ad should be more respectful to 
    images that are important to other people.

    
    	reason why madonna's making such suggestions is cuz she's worried
    	sinead will suck up all the publicity.
    
    	without publicity will madonna end up melting like the wicked
    	witch of the west?

    Madonna said that it was OK to tear up Popie, but that Sin�ad
    should have explained why she did it.
    
    Frank Sinatra called her a little tart or something like that.
    
    An Italian American group in NY rented a steam roller and crushed
    her CDs and LPs.
    
    A group of Sin�ad lookalikes tore up more Popes outside Holy Cross
    cathedral and insisted that the Pope should apologize instead.
    
    So she got her publicity that's for sure.
    
     :v)

    
    	who's hair?

    Sin�ad's hair - I mean what color is it when it grows?
    Has anyone seen it before?

    
    She doesn't have any. She is prematurely bald.  And I have it from good
    sources she blames the Pope.  8*)
    
    paddy

    
    	in your ear, ::CULBERT!
    
    	she has hair....its just where the sun don't shine....

    
    
    If I remember correctly, before she totally shaved it, she had sort of
    light brown ( auburn ?) color. Quiet nice actually.

    re. 46
    
    >An Italian American group in NY rented a steam roller and crushed
    >her CDs and LPs.
    
    Why ? El Pappa isn't even Italian.
    
    BTW, I've crushed all my El Pappa albums & CDs in protest :-)
    
    Tony.