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| 1090.1 | Problem solved ! | BONKIN::BOYLE | | Fri Jul 03 1992 11:06 | 27 |
| re. .0
Mate,
I don't know much about the so-called Royal Irish Rangers but the words
Royal and Irish together spell CRAP to me.
>British Governments defence review. The hope was expressed that this
>merging might also improve the image of the outfit as the Royal Irish
>Rangers contain a sizeable number of Catholics from the Republic.
I don't know what you would consider "sizeable" but I don't know of
many blokes from the Republic who would join a section of the British
Army to harrass and kill Nationalist people in NI. (i.e. the perceived
role of the BA in NI).
>As I have never heard of the Royal Irish Rangers, could someone supply
>some background information about them. Also do people think this
>merging will have any noticeable positive effect in healing divides. I
As for merging it with the UDR.....it's like throwing good apples into
a barrel of bad ones.
Healing divides ? Yep ! and I believe in tooth fairies too.
Tony.
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| 1090.2 | The colour is the same | RUTILE::AUNGIER | Ren� Aungier, Site Telecoms Mgr, DTN 885-6601, @FYO | Fri Jul 03 1992 13:33 | 23 |
| <<< Note 1090.1 by BONKIN::BOYLE >>>
-< Problem solved ! >-
Tony,
You got it wrong, it is the original "B SPECIALS". Lets not forget
that the "B SPECIALS" were disbanded (joke, on paper at least) when the
RUC was formed. Most of the old B SPECIALS took off their ugly black
(black and tans types) uniforms one day and changed them for green
ones, changed from CS Gas to another one, changed from Rubber bullets
to the more lethal plastic ones.
What a joke. It is a white wash job, they have such a rotten name but
for me the only name they merit is B SPECIALS. Remember them joyriding
up the Falls Road with machibne guns mounted on their vans firing at
anything that moved especially in the Divis Flats. Remeber the march
from Belfast to Derry (Civil Rights March), how they depended the
marchers with their batons.......
and new machine guns
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| 1090.3 | pre 1922 --> Royal | MACNAS::JMAGUIRE | | Fri Jul 10 1992 10:29 | 14 |
| The Royal Irish Rangers date from before 1922. The majority of their
members are from Northern Ireland but a significant number come from
down here. Because of this, they never served in the North except until
the last year or so. I recall reading an article about them in one of
the papers in which some of those from the Republic were interviewed.
Their reasons for joining were due to lack of opportunities in the
Irish Army.
The merger with the UDR came under strong attack from the Unionist
parties and therefore has got some publicity here. It is due to the end
of the Cold War and is part of the British Defence Cuts. Apparently,
quite a number of old regiments have been merged together or disbanded
completely.
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| 1090.4 | Not quit Correct | DBOSW2::BRENNAN_M | I drink - To make other people interesting | Mon Jul 13 1992 10:04 | 13 |
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The previous note is not quite correct. The Royal Irish Rangers was formed in
1922. This was after the foundation of the Irish Free State.
It was an amalgamation of the following Irish Regiments
The Leinsters
The Munsters
The Dublin Fusiliers
The Royal Irish Regiment
The Connaught Rangers.
MBr
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| 1090.5 | | TRIBES::LBOYLE | Act first think later then apologise | Mon Jul 13 1992 10:20 | 4 |
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A first bit of controversy - a member of the RIR, formerly a member
of the UDR, has been arrested for the murder of a youth at a `twelfth'
bonfire the other night.
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| 1090.6 | Some social life ! | AYOV18::FSPAIN | Sending out a SOS | Mon Jul 13 1992 13:16 | 8 |
| re -1
You should have added that he was off duty at the time ....
.. not that it makes any difference to the dead youth but ......
Feargal.
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| 1090.7 | Seeds of greatness | FIELD::LOUGHLINI | If it is to be, it's up to me | Thu Jul 16 1992 06:16 | 15 |
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> As for merging it with the UDR.....it's like throwing good apples into
> a barrel of bad ones.
You can throw a good apple into a barrel of bad ones (or vice versa) and
pretty soon you have a soggy mass of rotting apples. Yet, you can take
just one seed from that squelch, plant it, and cultivate a mighty
orchard.
Who amongst you will plant and cultivate that seed rather than swamp
it in foul-smelling fertilizer (oblique reference to the anti-Brit crap
in this notesfile)
Ian
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| 1090.8 | The Bad seed. | WREATH::DROTTER | | Thu Jul 16 1992 09:08 | 34 |
| re: .7
I'm surprized you're still here, Ian "Go get 'em Paras" Loughlin.
I mean, when Maggie Dearest moved up the chain of succession to the
House of Lords, I thought for sure you would have moved up too.
Waxing nostalgic for the "good old days, Ian, the pre-1969 days when
the B-Specials (the forerunner of the UDR) had those "taigs" kept in
their place?
The only "foul-smelling fertilizer" around here Ian is a neo-colonialist
Brit like yourself trying to paint the UDR as a "mighty orchard". You sure
can lay it on thick. In reality, the UDR is nothing more than the old
bigoted B-Specials reincarnated, operating as a present day goon squad
for the British government just like the Black & Tans of the 20s -
harrassing and killing Irish nationalists.
I read in the paper over here that when the unit was merged/re-organized
the first time, a full 30+% were "catholic" or nationalist, but after a
few years, that number of "catholics" had dwindled down to 3% because of
harrassment by the majority of "loyalists" in the unit.
How long do you think it will take before the majority in the unit drives
out the minority from the merged RIR, becoming yet another unit of
concentrated British government bigotry, racism and hatred?
"seeds of greatness" what a load of codswallop.
Besides I like what Tony said in .1:
<I don't know much about the so-called Royal Irish Rangers but the
<words 'Royal' and 'Irish' together spell CRAP to me.
Spot on, Tony!
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| 1090.9 | Boring old Fart ! | FIELD::LOUGHLINI | If it is to be, it's up to me | Thu Jul 16 1992 10:13 | 40 |
| > I'm surprized you're still here, Ian "Go get 'em Paras" Loughlin.
Yes regrettably I have not been able to shake off my previous SPS
responsibilities totally. I still have to scan various notesfiles for
contentious (anti-DEC, anti-other_things) entries and compile a monthly
report for the corporate rightsizing committee. Something to do with
security..
Glad to see you're still on top form after all these months. I will
award you points on your latest reply.
Farce 8/10
Useful content 1/10
Solution oriented 0/10
Spite 10/10
> for the British government just like the Black & Tans of the 20s -
> harrassing and killing Irish nationalists.
Maybe on a different score, how many innocent Irish and other nationals
around the world have been killed by the IRA, versus Irish Nationalists
killed by the BA and it's wicked cohorts? No contest.
In another note you talk about the lack of interest of folks in the
'South' regarding events in the North. Maybe they simply have a different
perspective, (read intelligent and contextual) than you are capable of.
Those elements causing the security situation in the North are an
embarrassment to all sides and parties. I am concerned about our football
louts but I do not regard them as "typical" of the general public nor
as spokespeople for same.
The inter-party talks going on as we speak are another attempt to take
a major forward step. Reading back over some of your rhetoric I can
understand how desperately lonely you must feel - always being part of
the problem rather than the solution.
Keep taking the pills.
Ian
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| 1090.10 | You certainly are ! | WREATH::DROTTER | | Thu Jul 16 1992 11:51 | 37 |
| re: .9
<I still have to scan various notesfiles for contentious (anti-DEC,
<anti-other_things) entries and compile a monthly report for the
<corporate rightsizing committee. Something to do with security..
Hmmm, curious: I mean, before you were known as Ian "Go get 'em Paras"
Loughlin, I seem to recall you were known as, Ian "Shoot the Poofters"
Loughlin.
Isn't this a bit like putting the fox in charge of the hen-house?
<Those elements causing the security situation in the North are an
<embarrassment to all sides and parties.
I assume you mean HMG use of institutionalized terrorism, to wit, the
British Army. Or are you being more specific, to wit, the British army's
use of an agents provocateur like Brian Nelson to maintain the festering
sore of NI that you so glibly call a "'security' situation".
<The inter-party talks going on as we speak are another attempt to
<take a major forward step.
Would that it were true. I do hope these talks succeed, but I suspect that
they will be like all the other British so-called "peace initiatives" -
1.) Some form of refinement of Partition.
2.) Attempts to bully and coerce the Irish government into giving up
its rightful claim to soverignty over its six stolen counties
of its province of Ulster.
.
3.) The continued denial of democracy and self-determination for the
entire island of Ireland.
In other word, S.O.S.
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